speed isnt everything, i'm planning to buy an sam motherboard in the future, in september october maybe, if something new has comeout fine ill probally buy that, but i'm only waiting the right financiall time to buy one, not for new hardware,
460 cpu would be fun, anything faster and newer is always a good direction
but then again speed isnt everything, i spent years playing on my commodore 64
and amiga 1200,

@Crumb

>they'd better release OS4 for Mac Mini/powerbook G4 and Mac G5 with Radeon and stop releasing >underpowered and expensive hardware


No!!! No!!! A new motherboard with a PPC? Commercial maybe not very wise, but it is stil new hardware. O.k., accepted. But a port of AmigaOS to yet another dead platform? That is silly! AmigaOS as an OS for old computers? Who will buy that? Why not AmigaOS 3.1 for Atari ST or Archimedes? Or Sinclair ZX 81? Or for the Eniac? AmigaOS as a special system for classic computers, that would not be "not wise", that would be suicide! Not even Bill "The Master" McEwen would do such a stupid thing!

@all

I think we are going in the right direction, PPC on Amiga is the correct direction.

Please remember that we DO NEED cpu power, so people can create better software and games that need it.

For example python,ruby need the processing power as they are slower, this will allow more developers more options in writing software with these languages.

I hope the next models are GT/GTx for the 1ghz speeds, for next year, Acube must recoup its expences first, with a 60% profit margin to sustain itself.

In this time of recession they need to do some marketing to get more sales.

The Total PC Gaming #21 magazine has a booklet about Amiga, which is great. So Amiga interest is gaining momentum.

Developers are the key, give them the tools for RAD and find new ways to increase developer productivity, we have a chance.

If we had a SDL based game creator, we could accelerate games development for our platform.

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@DrZarkov

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No!!! No!!! A new motherboard with a PPC? Commercial maybe not very wise, but it is stil new hardware. O.k., accepted. But a port of AmigaOS to yet another dead platform? That is silly! AmigaOS as an OS for old computers? Who will buy that?

Why did the Hyperion release AOS4.x for Pegasos II or classic amigas? They were "old" and "dead" platforms.

@olegil

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I would estimate 1 person 8 weeks full time work to take the 440EP design and change it to a 460EX design. So about 30000 USD.

You're 100% right there

And after the design phase, you need to add all the other activities like, prototyping, testing, pre-production, etc...

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@Rogue


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Rogue wrote: @Manu Quote: I prefer being unreal instead of fanatic. The usual tactics (and yeah that works both ways) is to call all those that do not share one's opinion as fanatics. One of the reasons I don't read these Amiga sites anymore. Yeah, and the fact that every other thread degenerates into the same old "they should port to ". /me crawls back under my rock.

Don't read to much into my post because remember I'm an unreal Amigan so who am I to post here.

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@Manu

mac mini is under spech too,
wee need neew and fast hardware.

something that can be used for big server jobs. and allso for ghapics.

@Hans


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The FPGA, ZigBee and other embedded systems features suggests strongly that the Sam440 board weren't manufactured specifically for Amiga OS either.

If the FPGA was any good for embedded industry, the Sam Flex would have one ... the best thing for emdedded applications is the I2C on the board.

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@Rogue

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You honestly seem to think we are idiots. Never mind, it's a rhetorical question.

No it isn't ... the question mark s missing it must be a statement

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So this is tha last year of PPC Amiga !

You are so wrong, and I'll be happy to remind you about that.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
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@Arko
Give me a roadmap of cheap and powerfull enough PPCs, and I will be quite. They don't have to compete with the Intel Atom, but a (hypothetic) "SAM 460GT " Motherboard with at least 1 GHz for about 250 EUR, and the chance of future developement, and I will be quiet.

@DrZarkov

I am sure that there is out there more powermacs g4 than A1 or sam systems.

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@DrZarkov

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DrZarkov wrote: @Arko Give me a roadmap of cheap and powerfull enough PPCs, and I will be quite. They don't have to compete with the Intel Atom, but a (hypothetic) "SAM 460GT " Motherboard with at least 1 GHz for about 250 EUR, and the chance of future developement, and I will be quiet.

250 euro?? are you crazy? why do you think that an hardware colossus like Asus sell its netbook at 250eur?? and how do you think Acube can??
You are totally out of the real world.. really..

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DrZarkov wrote: [quote] DrZarkov wrote: @Arko Give me a roadmap of cheap and powerfull enough PPCs, and I will be quite.

http://www.pressebox.de/pressemeldungen/kontron-ag/boxid-219795.html

If you want x86 go to AROS, don't wait for Hyperion.

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afxgroup wrote: 250 euro?? are you crazy? why do you think that an hardware colossus like Asus sell its netbook at 250eur?? and how do you think Acube can?? You are totally out of the real world.. really..

1. ACube doesn't sell netbooks, they just sell boards.
2. You can get x86 boards with >1GHz CPU for less than 75¤
3. if new >1Ghz PPC board with AOS4 would cost only 4 times of a x86 board, people like Zarkov would be satisfied.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

>3. if new >1Ghz PPC board with AOS4 would cost only 4 times of a x86 board, people like Zarkov would be satisfied.

Not because it would be a good solution, but it would be an improvement. It is possible to make affordable PPC hardware, Genesi proved that before! But since Apple stopped using PPCs, I see no source for suitable and cheap processors. About 1 GHz is not state of the art, but it is enough to say play a DVD (my SAM 400ep Flex has difficulties doing that), or play a casual game with not too much need for new hardware. (With a good graphics-board you could compensate that, but not if connected to a PCI slot!) I don't expect miracles, if you give me a PPC hardware which is almost comparable to a 50 EUR Intel Atom motherboard, and not too expensive, but running AmigaOS 4.1 I am satisfied. That is not enough to conquere new markets, but maybe for current users who want to upgrade to newer hardware. If you want to rise the market shares, there is no way around x86, because there is no real alternative left, except maybe ARM.

@DrZarkov

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IMHO the next version of AmigaOS should run on x86! It is cheap, available and faster than that Freescale crap. And it doesn't matter if you emulate the 68k on a PPC or an x86. Except that the x86 will be faster. Even an emulated PPC would be faster than the real thing. And did I mention that you can get it everywhere? And that it is cheap?

Exactly, you have tons of hardware lying in garbage cans everywhere just waiting to put AmigaOS on it. No, any licenses needed etc.

All this crap is already compatible with other crap which will be build new.

Btw. Crap in this sense is something much better than PPC for $700.

You know, its about Amiga OS not a hardware, if it would be about hardware... we wouldn't have Amiga OS on Pegasos, Sam440...

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@DrZarkov
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About 1 GHz is not state of the art, but it is enough to say play a DVD (my SAM 400ep Flex has difficulties doing that)

For that I can by a stand alone DVD player for like $25.

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@Arko

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Arko wrote: @Hans Quote: The FPGA, ZigBee and other embedded systems features suggests strongly that the Sam440 board weren't manufactured specifically for Amiga OS either. If the FPGA was any good for embedded industry, the Sam Flex would have one ... the best thing for emdedded applications is the I2C on the board.

That's not true. The Sam 440ep and flex models are designed to be different, and used in different situations. Some embedded applications could benefit from the FPGA, others won't. Some may need the mini-PCI slot, most don't (which is why the connector isn't soldered on).

In all of this, you've missed the point; the SAM boards contain features that are of no use to desktop users. ACube definitely had industrial customers in mind when they designed it, not just Amiga OS.

Hans

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@Arko

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1. ACube doesn't sell netbooks, they just sell boards.

Zarkow was speaking about Atom..

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2. You can get x86 boards with >1GHz CPU for less than 75¤

ACube doesn't resell mobo of other harwdware companies and x86 mobo are useless for OS4.
If you want an x86 mobo, buy one and enjoy (....) with Linux or Windows..

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3. if new >1Ghz PPC board with AOS4 would cost only 4 times of a x86 board, people like Zarkov would be satisfied.

Maybe (MAYBE..) only the mobo without any other piece of hardware

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Lets see...

I have a SAM 667 and a SAM Flex 800...

The advantages are obvious, I'll buy a SAM 1000 for starters!

I really don't understand why people insist on saying something concerning the death of the PPC desktop... I might be missing something but if we has AmigaOS4 running on the fastest PPC chip as it stands today (the last and one of the fastest PPC chips to be made) surely THIS would be fast enough for anyones needs who uses and knows what AmigaOS can do.

God, we can just link a few up for more processing power or buy dedicated cards for anything inbetween etc etc etc...

So what the hell is the problem?

Lets stay PPC and keep the cheapo x86s users using those terrible OS choices... personally I love it...

WTG Rogue, I can't wait to see what comes our way in the next few years!

and believe me, I could wait forever, I don't earn my living on a cpu so I prefer to use a cpu I want too... in the future I will earn a buck with the cpu though, it's actually very easy to, but that is another story...

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@fingus

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fingus wrote: @LupusGrey Quote: I do indeed see AROS as an alternative, but mostly because it's on x86. It's got a potential future unlike the rest because they are stuck on platforms that'll never be up to date. Hmm, then XBOX360, Wii, PS3, Nintendo DSi, PSP Slim did the whole thing wrong, because they USE PPC-Based technology

Nintendo DSi uses ARM9 and ARM7 based processors.
PSP Slim uses MIPS R4000-based processor.

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