@terminills

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terminills wrote: Ok this is my last guess but maybe it's an os for some form of digital recorder. like this one.

Often this recorders use Linux, even some Bluray players use Linux as OS ... somthing most of the 'I don't like Linux' sayers don't know.

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@1Mouse

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is it Hyperions secret project or Hyperion & ACubes secret project?

That remains a secret!

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@Teddy

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Teddy wrote: @Arko Quote: That's exactly what Hyperion does, they do not try ... That is very easy to say when you don't have all the info.

I'm a user ! I'm one of the guys that may buy AOS4 products ore refuse them. So my informations counts more than any background informaions that led to nothing.

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@OldFart

Did Hyperions original quote mention ACube at all

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@Arko

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Arko wrote: [quote] x86 port will need 2-3 years, I dont know if it will has more 68k or AOS4_PPC compatibility than AROS_x86 has. vs. 2 weeks to get a used PPC computer on EBay.

So the future of AmigaOS4 will be to run it on used EBay hardware? Is that what you're saying?


Aside from the fact that is not even a remotely fair comparison. You're essentially saying it would take 2-3 years to get AmigaOS to an x86. That would be an AOS4 PPC to an equivalent functionality as AOSx86.

Based on what price a used PPC system is on EBay, what are the specs VS a similar priced x86 than?


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This is off topic because AmigaOS is a single core OS by design, it will only support SMP when it is changed to an OS with multiple UAE like boxes.

Even one of the cores today is 4GHZ, so recompare then, and you can only count 1 core in use.


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You should not ask for a road Map for CPUs what is needed are cheap boards, and they exist now. A x86 version only exist in the form of AROS.

OK, I'll try to simplify it.

What is the current roadmap of AmigaOS4 ?


No one will EVER give a roadmap of the future of AmigaOS4. FACT.

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@AmigaHeretic

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No one will EVER give a roadmap of the future of AmigaOS4. FACT.

That is not a fact. That is your opinion. Since it requires an infinite time to prove or disprove, it can never be verified.

Now that is a fact.

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Hyperion's stated policy now is not to announce anything until it's almost ready to ship. A roadmap is by its very nature speculative. Therefore I'd be very surprised to see an OS4 roadmap - it would be weapons grade troll attractant.

@tonyw

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tonyw wrote: @AmigaHeretic Quote: No one will EVER give a roadmap of the future of AmigaOS4. FACT. That is not a fact. That is your opinion. Since it requires an infinite time to prove or disprove, it can never be verified. Now that is a fact.

No, it's a fact. Anytime anybody has asked for an AmigaOS4 roadmap all they get is silence.


There's your real problem. People see there are no "real" new PPC options here or coming up in the near future.

That is why there are so many people talking about ARM, x86, etc.


And it not whining about x86. Where I come from the consumer makes the demands. A company can choose to listen to those demands or not. Typically the company that does not listen to it's users is the company that fails.

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@AmigaHeretic

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AmigaHeretic wrote: @tonyw Quote: tonyw wrote: @AmigaHeretic [quote] No one will EVER give a roadmap of the future of AmigaOS4. FACT. That is not a fact. That is your opinion. Since it requires an infinite time to prove or disprove, it can never be verified. Now that is a fact.

No, it's a fact. Anytime anybody has asked for an AmigaOS4 roadmap all they get is silence.
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Just because Hyperion haven't done so in the past (although Amiga Inc. did), doesn't mean that they won't do so in the future. It's still an opinion, not a fact.

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@Hans

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Just because Hyperion haven't done so in the past (although Amiga Inc. did), doesn't mean that they won't do so in the future. It's still an opinion, not a fact. Hans

I didn't say they 'never' I said 'ever'. As in have they "ever" given us roadmap as to the future of AmigaOS4?

No they haven't "ever" given us a roadmap. Thus some are disgruntled. Why are some people disgruntled? Several reasons, it's almost 2010 and no laptop on the horizon, there is little to know PPC cpus for the "desktop", we have no sense of direction.


It's a hobby, but why stick to expensive and slow hardware? Let's move on. Obviously Amiga Inc are no concern to Hyperion anymore as, SAM and especially PEGII cannot remotely be classified as an 'AmigaOne'. So they are off the reservation as far as the 'contact' is concerened.


Let's get a few more users. I don't mean 100,000s or even 10 of thousands. But lets makes strides to grow our community to 10,000 as a start.


We need more developers. We'll how will we ever get anyone to use AmigaOS if it restricted to an minimum of $1000 initial investment?


I'm fine with ACube making a specific SAMx86 that is specifically for AmigaOS4. Much lower price and specs "people" won't laugh at and hence might develope for.


What PPC chip can we get that will get just a motherboard under $200 AND run at more then 2ghz?


What are they PPC people thinking? They say they don't want to wait 2 years for an X86 port. OK FINE. So what great PPC hardware can we look forward to in the 2 years that will catch us up to NOT porting to X86?


A roadmap!!

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@AmigaHeretic

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AmigaHeretic wrote: @Hans Quote: Just because Hyperion haven't done so in the past (although Amiga Inc. did), doesn't mean that they won't do so in the future. It's still an opinion, not a fact. Hans I didn't say they 'never' I said 'ever'. As in have they "ever" given us roadmap as to the future of AmigaOS4?

You said "will", which is future tense. Maybe that's not what you meant, but that is what you wrote.


The x86 stuff has been argued to death way too often already, so I'm not going to go through the reasons why it's not realistic. People have been demanding all sorts of stuff: an x86 port, USB 2.0 support, supporting old and obscure classic hardware, full memory protection, multi-processor support, a laptop, etc.; and all for a price of under $200. I could demand that they build me a rocket capable of going to the moon for under $200 too. It's just not realistic.

When they provided some sort of roadmap (Amiga Inc. gave one, and Hyperion have announced various things ahead of time) people yelled "it's vaporware!" and "you said it would be ready by now, put up or shut up!" Now that they've taken the approach of only announcing things when they are (almost) ready, you want the darn roadmap that you complained about previously. Not only that, some people want the right to write the roadmap themselves, and then expect Hyperion to follow.

I think that there should be some interesting developments over the next 12 months. The OS4 dev team are hard at work; you'll just have to wait and see what it is.

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@1Mouse

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Did Hyperions original quote mention ACube at all

The only thing I know, is that it is all wrapped in a cloak of deepest secrecy!

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@AmigaHeretic

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AmigaHeretic wrote: @Arko Quote: Arko wrote: [quote] x86 port will need 2-3 years, I dont know if it will has more 68k or AOS4_PPC compatibility than AROS_x86 has. vs. 2 weeks to get a used PPC computer on EBay. So the future of AmigaOS4 will be to run it on used EBay hardware? Is that what you're saying?

I'm not shure if AmigaOS4 has any future at all.

Porting it to used Macs would be an interim solution, something the users can live with the next 2 years.

Hyperion could use this time to port their OS somewehere else, or to search a hardware partner that is able to build powerful PPC boards for only twice the price of an equal x86 boad.

But in 2-3 years AROS will be a srong competitor, AROS is not bundled to a computer board like AOS4 is and it is free. It is getting better and better every month ...

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@AmigaHeretic

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[..] Where I come from the consumer makes the demands. A company can choose to listen to those demands or not. Typically the company that does not listen to it's users is the company that fails.

well, lucky you. i guess all we amigans have to move at your place.


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@OldFart

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OldFart wrote: @1Mouse Quote: is it Hyperions secret project or Hyperion & ACubes secret project? That remains a secret! OldFart

And a very ambitious one!

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Amiga OS 4 Roadmap

@ShadowSun

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ShadowSun wrote: @AmigaHeretic Amiga OS 4 Roadmap

I don't see any thing that remotely looks like a roadmap in that PDF. It looks like a feature list of the current OS release in 2003.

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@ShadowSun

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ShadowSun wrote: @AmigaHeretic Amiga OS 4 Roadmap

It's a feature list, the Roadmap Hyperion used to give was [b[when it is ready[/b]

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@ShadowSun

This roadmap isn't even an acurate feature set never mind a roadmap:

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68k emulation: both interpreting and JIT emulation available (see below), JIT for speed,

Why did JIT UAE never materialise on OS4.x? Hyperion were going to include it with OS4.0 and yet AmigaWorld members have started a bounty to get this finished!!! Lies, failure and lies!

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@BigD

There's only one liar in this story, and that's you.

Hyperion never said anything about UAE. OS4 has both JIT and interpreting 68k emulation, EXACTLY like the document says.

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