@Argosy

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The only illusion here is that selling an X86 AMIGA will destroy the AMIGA brand.

An x86 Amiga (perhaps) will not destroy the Amiga, a common PC rebranded as Amiga will do

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@Argosy

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You want newcomers, fresh blood, bigger community? Then it's X86 and a modern OS that you need.

As an user, Unless you are the owner of the brand, why do you want fresh blood for another linux variant running on another PC clon? What would be the difference with an HP, sony, any taiwanese PC? in fact do you do not get fresh blood for the Amiga you get fresh blood for the PC as Amiga becomes Another PC because even Aros for you is not a modern OS.Sure you could make something as Apple with their MacOSX for Amiga but forget to have something usable in less than 5 years

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@Fransexy

A common x86 PC rebrand of Amiga would still sell better then any PPC machine with a bit of marketing. Not that I would like to see that.

Judging from BigBen's comments, that's NOT what he and C=USA are aiming for.

Something like Anubis OS would work like a charm and if sales took off a more radical approach could be considered once there's a sufficient market for it.

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@Fransexy

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Fransexy wrote: @Argosy Quote: The only illusion here is that selling an X86 AMIGA will destroy the AMIGA brand. An x86 Amiga (perhaps) will not destroy the Amiga, a common PC rebranded as Amiga will do

My point too.

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@Fransexy

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As an user, Unless you are the owner of the brand, why do you want fresh blood for another linux variant running on another PC clon?

Because otherwise, the brand will probably be dead in a while. It's choosing between lesser evil(s) and I think that a useable modern Amiga is still better then a dead amiga anytime even if it means no custom hardware or fully custom software.

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@Argosy
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Then it's X86 and a modern OS that you need.

So, a Windows 7 PC: you can find them everywhere, even in supermarkets.
I'm writing this with a Sony running Windows 7 64 bit; do I need to take pen and write on the case the word AMIGA to use it? I don't think so.
Because this is a Windows system, NOT an AMIGA.

This kind of operation will destroy AMIGA.
As for Commodore, is dead 16 years ago. RIP.

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@Argosy

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Argosy wrote: @Fransexy Quote: As an user, Unless you are the owner of the brand, why do you want fresh blood for another linux variant running on another PC clon? Because otherwise, the brand will probably be dead in a while. It's choosing between lesser evil(s) and I think that a useable modern Amiga is still better then a dead amiga anytime even if it means no custom hardware or fully custom software.

then again why? better the brand die an is remembered as a revolutionary platform of the day that become another PC manufacturer.Why the hell you want the brand an not the experience? is as if Apple put linux with Apple wallpaper an their custom applications on a common beige PC with an apple sticker

PD: you talk about modern OS, and you talk about AnubisOS an OS that is as modern that not even exists

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@Fransexy

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better the brand die an is remembered as a revolutionary platform of the day that become another PC manufacturer.

Amiga was revolutionery once... that's why it is now where it is. All the other remaining big players found the strength to make change when it needed to be done, Amiga found it only once. Ever since then it's been coasting on pretty much the same things.

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Why the hell you want the brand an not the experience

What experience? There's nothing linking AmigaOne X1000 and Amiga 1000. Back then, it was a revolutionary project, today it's an outdated one. That is NOT the same experience. If I want a true authentic Amiga experience, I'll just use 68K.

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PD: you talk about modern OS, and you talk about AnubisOS an OS that is as modern that not even exists

I said something like anubis os...

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@Argosy

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What experience? There's nothing linking AmigaOne X1000 and Amiga 1000. Back then, it was a revolutionary project, today it's an outdated one. That is NOT the same experience. If I want a true authentic Amiga experience, I'll just use 68K.

I guess you like AmigaOS3.X, 64 color half bright then, broken ide device driver, broken filesystem, broken TCP/IP stack that does not work whit DHCP, 2MB chip ram limit.

AmigaOne X100 uses AmigaOS4.1, the big differences is limitations on the file system and drives are removed, it has access to modern sound cards and video cards directly, has greatly improved language support and resource tracking, fault handler (Grim reaper), it has hardware accelerated desktop, that drops shadows, it has transparent windows, true color icons, it has greatly improved TCP/IP stack, it has support for files larger then 4GB, it has support for partitions larger then 4GB, and there are so many things that I forgotten that has improved, like lots of hot keys and improvements in workbench, for example when you create a file the system is notified and drawers are updated at once, I can go on and on about all the changes.

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@Fransexy

There is nothing to destroy, every "company" involved in Amiga in the past 13 years (yep, everyone after Escom) was so low and just used the name for the name's sake that the brand is pretty much dead.

Wether an x86-Amiga from such a highly proffesional company like NotC=USA would follow that trend or make a slight turn to the better is your guess (or maybe not ).

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@thread

It's official now...

From the other thread

http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/31/commodore-usa-to-relaunch-amiga-brand-with-series-of-aros-deskto/


I have to say I'm more in favour of something like Anubis OS, but at least this way alot of you will not be able to say it's just a rebranded PC

As to Anubis OS, maybe it's time to rethink... If AROS becomes official OS on C=USA Amigas, we need a new hobby OS that will cause dissent

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@NutsAboutAmiga

In 1985 EHB,HAM or just plain 32 colors, multitasking,syncing from external (video)source where things that noone else offered (at reasonable prices).

All the things you listed are allmost forgotten standard-features EVERY off-the-shelf computer offered for the last 10 years (at a fraction of the cost).

Thats why the X1000 will never be as special as the A1000.

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I think it's funny personally... That makes Aros the OS of the new "Amiga's"

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@AmigaMac

Obviously, it's not going to be a Amiga PC rebadge. Read the press release.

For what is worth, I think choosing AROS as a base might be a mistake. It's still nice to see AMIGA finally catching up with others hardware wise. But I'll need to see what OS and software base they can produce in time for the official launch in order to make up my mind whether I'll be buying one. Not going with something Linux(i know, I know, heresy!) based limits it's appeal as a modern PC substitute IMHO. Let's wait and see...

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@Argosy

Am I on candid camera? This is the strangest and occurs when I just began
to feel that the flavors were starting to work together a bit more.

Well, I'd like to see Dopus Magellan as standard replacement for Windows
Explorer, links on Windows desktop to purchase all of the Amiga products
gone PC, a novel way to boot/move between included operating systems, DOS
commands rewritten with AmgaDOS syntax in C directory, pre-configured with
Amiga-like freeware in Tools and Utilities directory, web links to all of our current
Amiga/oid forums, products, and projects, prefs set to as Amigoid as possible.

Possibiliies seem goofy and endless. One operating system per core all
moderated by AROS? Comes with custom chipset (even Natami) in FPGA so
emumiga/emulators, etc. can hit them directly.

I might buy?! Pancakes; makes me chuckle - inundate the windoze user with
propoganda and nostalgia and we'll get more users back.

Nathan

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@NathanH

I'm warming to the Commodore USA folks. AROS moves to centre stage. Hopefully Commodore USA will put some Dollars behind the OS now.

@persia

As far as I know they haven't done anything yet but market.

Actually the route they take is quite sensible (getting the Commodore and Amiga Brand, using AROS as OS, using standard PC hardware).

From what I saw until now, I just don't think they can pull it off in a decent way. I mean, copying text from the Apple website and stealing pics from various websources?

A friend of mine who has no connection with the Amiga found out about this, and laughed a lot about those pics on the website.

I actually felt a little bit embarrassed...


Really really, please get your act together, guys...


Or this might be the final blow to the Amiga name..


:(

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@NathanH

It's hard to imagine anyone putting money into developing AROS. Why the hell should they? What could they possibly get in return? A modern Amiga-like OS that runs on x86? Fat chance. AROS has at least NNN years to catch up, where NNN = (2010 - date when OS 3.1 was released). And that's assuming that AROS is at the same stage now that OS3.1 was when it was released!

You can't make money out of developing open source software. No one does. All you can make money on is copying and distributing it. And to what market? The AROS fans? They already have one!

If I bought a decent x86 PC, I'd want to run Windows 7 on it. What advantage could AROS possibly offer me over Windows? Using Windows, I can run ANYTHING, even Classic Amiga games!

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