To the Amiga Community,

The year 2011 - A year for small & big Amiga's and Amigo's is here, I wanted to draw close attention to the following;

---1--- MiniMig sales should continue for the foreseeable future,
Dag Jacobsen brought our attention to

20 Times Faster Computer With FPGA

The job market for FPGA skills is hot, you can work for companies like FreeScale, Motorola, IBM, Intel, AMD etc... A lot of other electronic companies. VeriLog the programming language is a highly sought after skill. Salary's range from 25k-150k.

---2--- Sam440EP and Sam440Flex sales should continue as per normal

---3--- R&D on the X1000 should continue until its ready for the prime time.

---4--- The bounty for JIT enabled E-UAE for AmigaOS4.1 PPC
http://amigabounty.net/?function=viewproject&projectid=35
This needs a lot more special attention and a lot more donations / funding. Especially now that we have so many PPC and non Intel X86 options floating around.

---5--- Project TIMBERWOLF & Gnash - The Flash Movie Player
http://amigabounty.net/?function=viewproject&projectid=44
http://amigabounty.net/?function=viewproject&projectid=31
These projects both need more funding and attention to have much better versions available to us by MID year.

---6--- Java for Amiga (JAmiga or Other)
http://sourceforge.net/projects/jamiga/
This needs to a serious heavy push by the end of this year we need to see
full Java 5 API levels support and full J2EE / JEE 1.4 API level support.

There are other things that need mentioning here, and that will also come later.

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@meet.mrnrg

Kaffe VM runs on 68k but I dont know how much is implemented or how compatible it is..

OpenJDK might also be a possibillity

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Do not forget NATAMI.

INDIVIDUAL computers working on new hardware for classics also.

@amigappc

Is that new hardware PPC card?

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(Nat)ive (Ami)ga, a fast 68k board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natami

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I agree with the list, these are area that I really hope we can find a solution too, I really would like a full modern browser with flash and full java support on the new Amiga, I really hope it happens. and the JIT would be nice, but just general better backwards compatibility I would like to see on all amigaos inspired desktops.

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Java for Amiga

Both technologies are in recession, and will probably die (for mainstream users) in few year. Suits Amiga perfectly.

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@opi

Indeed. Apple did us a huge favour. Understandably so in my opinion, Flash performance is horrendous in Mac OS X and Java (which is being removed entirely from Mac OS X) is very rarely used in it anyway. The big drive to cross-platform applications through the Java language never really happened - I think this was primarily due to the slow run speed of Java applications.

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---4--- The bounty for JIT enabled E-UAE for AmigaOS4.1 PPC http://amigabounty.net/?function=viewproject&projectid=35 This needs a lot more special attention and a lot more donations / funding. Especially now that we have so many PPC and non Intel X86 options floating around.

That would be really great since I can only play NAPALM and AB3DII TKG on my A4000 with adequate speed (NAPALM even runs within AOS4 on my classic but not on my PegII)!

Unfortunately there is no information about the donation amount that need to be reached in order to get this project staret. Furthermore the specification regarding this bounty seems to be not precise enough (regarding what should be achived with this bounty).

@opi @djrikki
Java is not in recession, but flash does have some new competition.
What you need to count in is that the web / internet and even / computer user base will be increasing exponentially over the next 10 years.

Why will it grow exponentially, PDA's, Mobile Phones, NoteBooks, $100 Laptops in 3rd World Countries, 4G Mobile Communication reaching more remote areas etc...

That means Flash will still have a huge user base and support base due to so many programmers and Adobe's might behind it. But like Microsoft they will suffer a little from competition.

Google is being sued for using Java Patents, but this will be solved through cash or code re-writes. Apple has no clue right now with its closed API sets, and is being froced to open up by government and hackers, and other work arounds.

So no Java will not be removed from OS/X and no it wont be removed from Android or IPhone OS's.

The other thing with Java is that a lot of applications use Java, and cross match with DLLS os OBJ's on other platforms and that's where they get better performance from, so no Java is not slow, its how you code and distribute Java.

Amiga API's are always being tweaked for cross platform compatibility but mainly in the Amiga OS flavour space. So even cross compiling is being improved and not abandoned.

Sorry, the only real answer is to push harder this year to get Java & Flash more up to scratch on Amiga.

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Flash is a must, despite the mentioned recession. How long does it take to remove a 'problem' such as Internet Explorer 6 (i know, it's a different genre ;) ? Even though changes are more rapid than ten years ago..
in my opinion, a long-term perspective on flash is that in small cases it's gonna be replaced by 'open' solutions (html5/javascript), but complex apps will still be flash-dependent (flex ones) and i bode ill for flash proprietary rivals.

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Why do you want software like this - is it just because they have a big market-share? Why not demand software that's small, lean and well-integrated with AmigaOS instead?

Hyperion seems to be going in the same direction as you - software like OpenOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, Java or Flash which to me are the antithesis of what good Amiga programs should look like. Slow, bloated and badly integrated.

Is it just so we can say "We have that program too!" to the mainstream? It seems that this is more a cry for relevance than making Amigas inherently better.

Even then these are mostly technologies in decline. I don't mean to cause offence, I just don't get it!

Chris

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@djrikki

Only Apple's version of JAVA is being deprecated. JAVA will stay on Mac OS platform. Nobody in their rightful mind would voluntarilly remove JAVA from their platform.

About the part that JAVA apps run slow... Well, it only shows your poor knowledge of the matter.

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The Operating System Amiga OS, will one day become much fatter and slower, but at least it will be choice, a choice made at install time.

CPU Architecture will also change, they will be fatter and slower, but massively more capable of doing multiple tasks in parallel.

As for Java I just contributed a whole chunk of code for a PKI Software (Thin Client / Agent), and in it is HTTP, HTTPS, XML enabled. Its multi-threaded etc...
So here is the STATS
XML & HTTP MODE = 7.0 to 15.0 MBytes to run 24x7
XML & HTTPS MODE = 10.0 to 25.0 MBytes to run 24x7

7-25 MBytes is hardly bloat ware these days, and it does the job for a large company with who has $166.81 Billion Dollars US in market capital.

Java is neither a poor man's tool, because you only need 4MBytes to get up and running in RAM, and its not a rich man's toy because Java can map more RAM and more disk space than is accessible via a 64Bit operating system.

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There's a difference between software growing in size and software become messy, ugly or unresponsive.

See my thread about QT. You're wishing for the wrong things IMHO. Much more exciting stuff is around the corner which never even gets a mention.

Chris

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Why do you want software like this - is it just because they have a big market-share? Why not demand software that's small, lean and well-integrated with AmigaOS instead?

Because this software offers features we (I) need.

One small example: I need text editor with support for footnotes compatible with MS Office. I know only one "Amiga" application that can satisfy these demands: AbiWord (AmiCygnix).

@clebin

In the same breath, we would be much better off writing Emulation and Virtual Machines to emulate other platforms.

AmigaCygnix is the king pin, in this arena right now.
Other emulators are kings pins for brining more apps and games.
Cross compatible frameworks are nice but need to mature a whole lot more.

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@pavlor

Lots of software offers the features you need. There's a variety out there that could be ported, but it seems that people just want the one with the biggest market-share. Even if it stinks as an Amiga app!

Taking your example, in the QT thread I started later, I talked about KOffice. That could look and run a million times better on AmigaOS than OO4Kids. But while OpenOffice has lots of threads devoted to it, the alpha release of QT was released without a single post here.

I think this is partly because people don't catch up with other tech news, and partly what I said about just wanting to flag wave "Look, we have Java too!" even if it's of little use.

Chris

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Cross compatible frameworks are nice but need to mature a whole lot more.

MUI is a cross-platform framework.

You'd rather use an emulator than the exact same program running natively as an MUI app?

Chris