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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 14:31:22
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6-7 years old hardware for 1500-2000 euro?


X1000 has features of 4 years old hardware (DDR2, PCIe, SATA2, dual-core).

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 14:31:42
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The german government has payed 1500 Million Euro for the development of the Transrapid and if Siemens want any more money and state founded projects, Siemens better be nice - that's one point of view and the other is that the (partly hidden and sadly stained/corrupted but hopefully improving) elite can arrange anything (the old you do this and we do that game).

Only my point of view and maybe too optimistic but I think that Germany (and the EU) may soon get better and obviously one logic step is to dump MS and Intel for some own better things (still to be developed). This may be the great chance of AmigaOS - if AmigaOS can (with lots of money and soon) be better than Linux.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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And the piracy is prevented with bundled 800 hardware...


Yes. OS4 is the first OS with really working anti-piracy security.


However, x86 port would be nice.


Privacy and usable applications free platform...and even not open sourced ;)



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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 14:35:20
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@eXec

Can you answer a quick poll for me please.

At home how many of the following do you have ?

Smartphone
IPod
Tablet
Netbook
Notebook
Desktop
Server

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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@pavlor

But still,it would be considered stoneage,in the fast paced world of computing...

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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Privacy


I hope you mean piracy.

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and usable applications free platform..


That depends on your expectations. If you only write some tests with footnotes, browse internet and play old games in emulators (like me), then OS4 will fulfil your needs.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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@KingKong

No government agency would choose AmigaOS over Linux on objective preferences. For starters, Linux is "free" and open source. And then you must also factor in the inherent lack of security in AmigaOS(unless it's security through obscurity), some missing features and the fact that it only runs on very expensive hardware. Even if you would do a x86 port(which is not that much work for a team of dedicated engineers, most of it is written in C, the only exception being Petunia but that's not needed anyway), you're still left with a OS that's stuck in 1994. Arguably(IMHO), MorphOS would be the best starting point if one would like to build a modern (re)implementation of AmigaOS.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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But still,it would be considered stoneage,in the fast paced world of computing...


Outdated, sure. But so outdated as you wrote. 4 years old computer of my brother is still useable for nearly all our needs (games!). However, my brother want to upgrade before the end of this year (Skyrim...).

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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@pavlor

And if you have any interrest of eh...hmmm...p***,you would be pretty safe too,lol You got a big marked there,ready too be taken,rofl

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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@WolfToTheMoon

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MorphOS would be the best starting point if one would like to build a modern (re)implementation of AmigaOS.


MorphOS suffers from same problems AmigaOS do. You'd need to break out from ABox.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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@WolfToTheMoon

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you're still left with a OS that's stuck in 1994


Did you know that OS4 is the sole Amiga-like OS with working virtual memory implementation?

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MorphOS would be the best starting point


I think AROS would be better - it is open source.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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@opi

Well, when I referred on the MOS I meant QBox + ABox, each doing what the other cannot do.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 14:44:27
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@Caveman

Everyone has their opinion.

The best thing for people with your opinion is to start your own thing from scratch.
bury the AmigaOS name.

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You can't possibly build up anything,if your OS lack most features,almost any other OS under the sun,had for years,and not to talk about the software base... Do you really think it would help to sell 6-7 years old hardware for 1500-2000 euro? No matter how you look at it,AmigaOS would be better of if it was open sourced,and run on cheap hardware.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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@pavlor

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I think AROS would be better - it is open source.


MOS already has a modern kernel underneath. IMHO, better to invest time in QBox then reinventing the wheel with AROS.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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And if you have any interrest of eh...hmmm...p***,you would be pretty safe too,lol You got a big marked there,ready too be taken,rofl


That sounds like a cunning marketing strategy.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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better to invest time in QBox then reinventing the wheel with AROS.


Better to invest time in open source OS than waiting for miracles.

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@Spectre660

3... i see the point but before you add those lines you want to say,
the very same goes an into contra direction...

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 14:54:41
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@WolfToTheMoon

Maybe AmigaOS is a little stuck in the past but MS took (partly) the wrong path. It's way easier to get AmigaOS right than MSwindows.

Money is no issue if the development of AmigaOS is state-funded from Germany or the EU. The hardware is no issue because we need something better than Intel (which may soon get worse) and must start somewhere. AmigaOS on PPC is faster than MS on Intel.

BTW: I hardly can think of anything more unsecure than MS. Can you imagine that this stuff is used at british atom submarines?

(as always: IMHO)

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@eXec

My computing reality is that you use what works best for you and what you have acess to.
Regardles of CPU/OS combination
I understand that you can do HD video editing on an Iphone 4.

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3... i see the point but before you add those lines you want to say,
the very same goes an into contra direction...

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@pavlor

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Better to invest time in open source OS than waiting for miracles.


AROS has very little potential(for a serious alternative OS) as long as it's OS3.x featured. Guess we'll just have to keep waiting for a miracle.

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