@OldFart

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In fact, my A1-XE is still working reliably despite its reputation as being flaky. I think a big part of the problems encountered are due to the flaky nature of the A1's in general. The later SAM's are less prone to 'strange and unexpected' behaviour.

Well the "Amiga 1-XE" AKA "TERON" board was NEVER intended as a commmercial board! They knew this going into this as well. There was no way NOT to know this. How do I know this? Well I was personally at the Motorola labs in Austin Texas where they had a row of Terons with YDL that were sitting there unused. The programmers told me they were not usable due to instability and inability to run code properly. (mainly due to articia S bridge)

Further proof when I was a pegasos dealer and had a website I was contacted by a contractor for the DOD when Bplan came out with the "April" patch for Articia. They wanted to pay thousands for this patch themselves, and I reffered them to Genesi (before I worked for them) They had deployed Teron boards running Linux for some specialized (read secret) application and had all kind of problems. For some reason they needed PPC boards apparently.

@Hyperionmp

Interesting all of all the forum threads on this site and all the complaints you choose to talk about what Jobs and Apple are doing? Why not address your own issues with your own company? (since you are the Jobs of Hyperion)

@umisef

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Of course, you'd have more of a point if any of the functional browsers for OS4 actually supported HTML5.

Very salient point. As usual you are a voice of reason here.. thanks

@zerohero

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With these prices I think it can only get worse.

That has been my point for many, many years.

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@redrumloa

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That has been my point for many, many years.

That said, I'm not sure it is possible to have much lower prices in such a market. Granted the X1000 is a beast, but both SAM models seem fairly priced to me. Still quite expensive though.

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@jd997uk

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Check the Version of the Text Hook (in the ImageFX/hooks/sys drawer) If it's 4.5.79 there is a newer one (4.6) on the ImageFX 4.5 Studio CD (possibly on earlier CD's as well.....).

Yes I was going to mention this when I read the post about the guy with os4 crashing on the txt hook. This should help for sure. Its on the official imagefx ml.

@kas1e

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Gui-shmui .. I read from all the developers in last 2 years how limited reaction in that and that areas, to make modern GUI apps, and MUI was a bit anctient till now, so how you expect to have amigaos full of fancy and cool gui programms ?

Exactly, I was thinking the same thing. The reason for no GUIs on some of the programs mentioned earlier is that they would have to be reaction based and the few developers we have dont have time... also most MUI guys are on morphos side and wont be writing guis for os4 as they have other projects for morphos.

Once again, for some reason all these Os4 hardware projects when all these years developer resources should have been spent on features, fixes, ports, new applications, and games. An older slower box with the above features is much better than a super modern fast box with buggy and old spec programs imo,.

@ferrels

You make some very valid points. But dont look for much understanding here... you already stated the reason: blind fanboyism mainly.

I think you are being a litte critical of Amiga companies "taking advantage of the community" i know what you are saying somewhat but honestly I think these guys really care and are trying but have made many poor decisions in the roadmap.

@Metalheart

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Hobbys never make financial sense.....

Excellent point!

@umisef

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They just decided to support it in a different, open-standards way.

Of course Apple decided for HTML 5 out of pure open-source-mindedness and generosity. Nice try, Bernd.

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@redrumloa

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That has been my point for many, many years.

Yep - this is the reason I never bought (or could buy) a new Amiga (i.e. a A3000 or A4000) - way to expensive!

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How anyone could suggest that the x1000 is designed to `take advantage of the community` is beyond me. I dread to think what the development has cost. I doubt the poor sod will even get his money back let alone any profit.

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X1000 is all about the old business model. Supply and demand.

Sure it has to be expensive. Even if it would cost 200$ they would never sell more than double of lets say 200 units. That is easy math.

99,8% of all Amiga users lost interest in the platform many, many years ago. There is no way they would come back to something that is not up to todays standard.

For the few of us left, we have to live with the limitations this OS have. As i have know for years only AROS is the Amiga like OS, that have a future. Not many days from now you can have AROS running out of the box on a cheap x86 computer, with Linux under the hood. From there you can start Linux programs like Firefox and you will have memory protection etc.

Personaly I don't have big problem with rebooting the OS from time to time. I only use AROS native and will continiue to do so.

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@nikosidis

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99,8% of all Amiga users lost interest in the platform many, many years ago. There is no way they would come back to something that is not up to todays standard.

Very accurate. Current state of Amiga os4 software support and feature set with the X1000 hw is like a Formula 1 race car running on 87 octane petrol.

@realize

Did you buy it yet, or are you just complaining still?

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@kas1e

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Just release everything in one archive, and use only libs from PROGDIR:libs/ firstly. No need for any installer or anything, just unpack and run.

Hmm... what does OpenLibrary("PROGDIR:libs/foo.library",0) actually do when exec's library list already has a "foo.library" in it? The RKM is a bit vague on that point...

@ferrels

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No, not bitter at all. No one here, including you is going to convince me that OS4 is a bargain at $170USD or that the X1000 is a good deal at $3000USD when it performs on par with systems from 2005....period.

I don't think anyone here wants to convince you. Including me.

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If you have a lot of money to spend and OS4 gives you that jolt you're looking for, then be my guest and buy it and an X1000. More power to you. I'll save my money for hobbies that make more financial sense.

You still sound bitter.

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@nikosidis

Real "joke" is that X1000 brings AmigaOS 4 users to today standards (near 2Ghz dual core CPU, DDR2 10xUSB 2 etc.)

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@zerohero

They are all way too expensive for me. I am (I think) past the point of paying through the nose for a hobby. By way of coincidence I got the itch to do some retro computing today, despite my recent pledge to give up all of my retro hobbies. I searched Craigslist, found a Power Mac Quicksilver for $30 and I just finished installed MorphOS 2.6. How many people get the itch to try out OS4, until they see the cost of entry?

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@number6

About them duplicate postings, this is a new feature of OWBMUI...

After posting I retrace my steps by clicking the arrow button in the upper L/H corner of the window and then I get some requester of sorts asking me something about POST and whether I want to continue or not to which I answer something akin to 'Yes'.
The results are now clear rto many of us. See if this on gets duplicated as well.

OldFart

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