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Aehm, didn´t that do SetXFerRate and SavetoNVram?

Only after the OS4 drivers has been loaded, and those drivers are part of the kickstart, which itself is loaded using UBoot IO-functions that uses PIO0 mode. UBoot itself doesn't read these sii_* variables, unfortunately

How else would you explain that it takes 7 seconds to read 7MB or data? (Yes, the kickstart is only about 7MB, although you would expect it to be more like 70MB considering the load time.)

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my os4 system partition are FFS, while system partioin of morphos are SFS0

So there was a reason to your slow booting and you wasn't doing a good comparison at all.

You should target boot time of Win 8 actually nowadays. (It boots into a sort of early menu so maybe the early startup menu of AmigaOS is equivalent and UBoot/Firmware shoudn't initialize all hardware to speed up that part as well.)

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UBoot IO-functions that uses PIO0 mode.

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@kas1e
The boot time are cold right? I ask because i got less than 10 seconds boot times when doing a warm reboot when i tested it on update 2. I have not checked the times on update 3, since i have hardly used the system since the update came out.

@nikosidis

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nikosidis wrote: Why not compare with AROS booting on ACER aspire one ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIQTRViPKLg 12 sec.. www.aspireos.com

Big part of the lag is the hardware/bios itself. It takes ages on my sam system before it starts even loading the kickstart. Warm reboot on the other than took about 7-10 seconds using update 2.

@thread

we should be improving alot more. Windows 8 is around the corner :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG86f3WCkmk&feature=related

I also have seen a video of Windows 8 boot time 5 seconds !

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Just for sake of truth , i just use sfs0 partition (same buffers, same blocksizes for both) for booting of aos4.1u3, remove amidock from startup (just because my morphos not run any panels at startup) and comment out in kicklaout those files as voodoo.chip and sixxxxx.devices and remove from startups any assigns which was done by some 3d party progs.

Also i delete evnarcs: from all ringio files, and appdir directory (which are pretty big should to say after 1 year of using)

That all in end give me 34 seconds for booting (not 38 with ffs and amidock as before).

So, 17 seconds over 34 = 50% of differene still.

Still, of course, need just to get new fresh hdd, and do clean installs on, to avoid any tweaks and "maybe because of ..."

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The boot time are cold right? I ask because i got less than 10 seconds boot times when doing a warm reboot when i tested it on update 2. I have not checked the times on update 3, since i have hardly used the system since the update came out.

Yes, i compare cold boots of course (after reset, but, without time to loading firmware) , just because for benchmarking of cold-boots of both oses. Soft boot are same fast as morphos's cold-boot (through, after update3 softboot also start to be slower than with update2).

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Well found out maybe why my 4.1.3 install was taking so long, my hard disk died today, must have been on the way out :(

Awaiting a new 160 gig IDE drive off ebay now.

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Awaiting a new 160 gig IDE drive off ebay now.

Why not fresh-new one , and not ide , but sata and or sata-card, or sata-to-ide adapter ? Should be faster and better :)

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Tried some on my 440ep & u3

57M file from SFS0 to RAM about 3s (wb drag&drop) (dopus is now 2s slower, IIRC originally with first 4.1 versions wb/dos was slower than dopus)
Warm boot 13s
Cold boot 9s for BIOS to start to load kickstart (includes 1s delay)
at 15s kickstart is started and at 27s wb is loaded fully.

IB starts below 3 seconds
RA-OWB starts in about 3s
MUI-OWB starts in about 5s
Netsurf starts in about 3s
Timberwolf alpha .. tens of seconds?

Dopus4 below 3s
Filer below 2s
DiskMaster 1s
AmiDVD 1s

Timed with 1s accuracy.

It would be nice if we could have cold boot accelerated more. We should try to get DMA driver to BIOS and perhaps kickstart could be loaded as one file. Not sure if the initial UBoot 9s could be reduced ... the HDD needs to spin up first anyway ... ? Or could we have a small flash device on the lattice XP expansion connector, to house the kickstart etc?

I'm very happy of AOS4.1 speed. Everything seem to start a lot faster than on my 3800+ Ubuntu system & 1,7Ghz LinuxMintLXDE system.

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@kas1e

hi,

first update to MorphOS2.7 or 3.0 :)
If you want update without burning cd http://www.nonsoloamiga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=129

here benchmarks about Quake3 in OSX, MorphOS2.x, AROS, AmigaOS4.x
http://www.nonsoloamiga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=131

here benchmarks about Quake4 in OSX
http://www.nonsoloamiga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=136

here simple USB2.0 test in MorphOS2.7 and AmigaOS4.1.3 (FAT32 and SFS)
http://www.nonsoloamiga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=646&start=75#p6078

regards

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here benchmarks about Quake3 in OSX, MorphOS2.x, AROS, AmigaOS4.x http://www.nonsoloamiga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=131

Yeah, same as before and as for all the others who do those quake3 tests.

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here benchmarks about Quake4 in OSX http://www.nonsoloamiga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=136

Non amiga-related, so make no sense for us at all.

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here simple USB2.0 test in MorphOS2.7 and AmigaOS4.1.3 (FAT32 and SFS) http://www.nonsoloamiga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=646&start=75#p6078

That one interesting. Seems usb2.0 on aos4 again slower than usb2.0 on morphos via the same HW/cards :)

And as i see, writing on fat32, are slower in 3 (!!) times ! 2.6mb/s on os4 vs 7.7mb/s on mos (as far as i remember , something like this was already reported on hp's forum). In other copy-tests , seems that posedeon faster on 25-70% in all the tests with usb2.

So.. One more moment which need to improve, and which can be improve. Expectually writing to fat should be improved radically.

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Why not fresh-new one , and not ide , but sata and or sata-card, or sata-to-ide adapter ? Should be faster and better :)

That would involve losing my DH1 and DH2 disks which are also IDE and my DVD-ROM, a replacement 3.5" IDE drive should be fine rather than change everything.

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EDIT: i somehow manage to start the demo with need it settings (without touching of mouse, just from keyboard), and in 640x480 i have 30.2 fps

Your result is a bit low for a Peg2 @ 1 Ghz

At the same 640*480 resolution/graphics details i get:

20.4 FPS on my Sam Flex 800 (Radeon 9250)
28.4 FPS on my AmigaOne G3 800 (Radeon 9200 SE)

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I get 2MB/sec write and 6MB sec (36% CPU usage) read with a usb memory stick & my SAM. (it's SFS, IIRC)

(noticed that on my PC I get 25MB/sec when I copy HDD to USB hard drive and the same speed with partition to partition copy. I should try the USB HDD on my SAM one day...)


About the win8 startup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ia3zBs42cc

I wonder if they are starting a "suspended to disk" -system.
If not, it's time to get the BIOS startup to 2 seconds and OS startup below 3 seconds, especially on x1000 kind of system, SAM is allowed to boot 2s more!!!

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