@TrevorDick

Yes I watched it from the stream. I actually liked it. :)
I might be able to afford the X1000 (and I think it deserves to be that expensive) but I'm not happy for most of the other Amigans in Turkey because they won't be getting one.

I think there could be some kind of special preorder option in which price is cheaper (not cheaper than the cost of it being produced and being sold of course.) If enough people preorder the AmigaX1000 (a number which justifies the cost) then people should start receiving their X1000s. If that number is not reached, the price should automatically get higher due to higher cost and people should have the option of pulling back their money or paying the remaining of the higher price.

I'll probably end up buying one in the end anyway.

@TrevorDick
The X1000 is a great and brilliant idea, if my budget permitted it I would buy it right away. I remember saving my whole summer job pay in 1993 just to buy an A4000. The thrill was there because I knew what the computer would do for me!

At the moment I as a customer am not even sure what more the X1000 can do that a SAM board already does. I am not a programmer nor a developper so as a member of the lower food chain I can't go on and buy the X1000, not under the actual situation.

On a positive note tho, you are doing exactly what I would do if I had the same financial strenght because I LOVE the Amiga.

I'm hoping the future will bring more various Amiga products for all budgets and needs!

And i'm not talking about cheap tablets or Intel machines with an Amiga sticker :)

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Way I see it, X1000 is a development system. It is for the future. A first step
to get things heading in that direction.

It is a development system and it is not expensive to those that will buy it with
that in mind. It is not expensive for a full size ATX motherboard development
system packaged with all necessary components that can be used out of the box
as a regular desktop computer.

Think X1000 is expensive?

CHECK THIS.

AND

THIS ONE.

X1000 'complete system' is a bargain. Sadly, not affordable by all.

Trevor, thank you for your investment in the future, and I don't mean just money.

@Mechanic

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It is a development system and it is not expensive to those that will buy it withtht in mind

Most Amiga developers don't make money, from what I see. Not enough market.
That is why I don't really understand your statement. They are investing in such a system to develop what and for who?
It's a chicken and egg thing: there is no software because there are no users and there are no users because there's no software.

I can understand the idea, but I don't think it will work.
I'm hoping it does, though. ;)

@BrandonLee
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Most Amiga developers don't make money, from what I see. Not enough market. That is why I don't really understand your statement. They are investing in such a system to develop what and for who?

We are looking at it from a different perspective I would guess.

I tend to see Amiga as a hardware/software platform, and from my POV the hardware
is the chicken. Want eggs? Get a chicken.

Or, how do you develop software for multi processor future lower cost computers
without taking a first step. Different POV.

Yeah, I know. Clear as mud.

@Mechanic

I understand.
I just don't see people buying such expensive "chickens" on the vague expectation that will bring them good "eggs".

As for the first step, I respect those that will take it. I would, if I could.
I don't think there will be enough people doing it, though.

The price has been a major disappointment for me.
Not saying the machine is not "worth" it, but, and especially in these uncertain times, it is a major risk/investment.

@BrandonLee

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BrandonLee wrote: @Mechanic The price has been a major disappointment for me. Not saying the machine is not "worth" it, but, and especially in these uncertain times, it is a major risk/investment.

I'm really not that far away from your financial situation. This choice of mine does mean cutting some
other things and doing some more side jobs. There goes that round the world vacation.

I guess another thing to consider in favor of X1000 is developing hardware in PCI(e) slots that could
wind up soldered directly to a next motherboard. Drivers, bugs, APIs, etc.. Whole lot cheaper to toss
out a failed card than a failed motherboard.

Aack! Damn economy.

Who the hell is running this circus anyway,,,,Franko?

@Mechanic

Oh my God, X is getting "cool"
http://drupal4hu.com/future/freedom

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The other end is the AmigaOne X1000. It's an extreme niche computer with a co-processor hackable on levels unseen before. It really is an "X", an unknown of what cool stuff you can do with it. It also costs more than the most expensive iPads and runs an obscure (cool, but still) operating system. Mark my words my developer colleague: this is your future PC. Cool, obscure and expensive.

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I just had a weird idea about X1000. What do you think about being able to move smoothly in a large screenmode (3360-2100 for example) using something like a touchpad while also using a mouse? That would be extremely useful for example when being used in image editing, 3d rendering, audio software.

or

Think about being in a Boingball AmigaOS :) using the touchpad to look around in the boingball running applications.

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@vox

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.....runs an obscure (cool, but still) operating system

Funny statment taking in account that AmigaOS was here before MacOSX, Windows 9x, BeoS, and even before linux was in usable form (and thus all derivated linuxes ie android, QNX,ios,Webos....)

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@Fransexy

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and thus all derivated linuxes ie android, QNX,ios,Webos....

Proverbs 17:28 comes to mind....

* QNX being first released in 1982, 3 years *before* AmigaOS (and, of course, being completely independent of linux)

* iOS being based on Darwin, which is based on XNU, which in turn was derived from Mach 2.5 and 4.3BSD, with current versions being based on Mach 3.0 and FreeBSD instead. Mach dates back to 1985, with 4*BSD even predating the IBM PC. None of Darwin's ancestors have any relationship to linux, other than 4.3BSD (and its derivatives) having been the major alternative to Linux in the early to mid 90s.

uhm, just noticed in another thread about bit-by-bit software that apparently not all of 100 (trevors chart on amiwest) x1k betatesters received their boards yet. also trevor himself has admitted not to have one. yet the commercial release is still announced before the end of the year, am i right? so when the whole betatesting is going to take place and in what does it differs form buying "first contact" machine? price, complete system, access to betatester ml?

@Fransexy

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Funny statment taking in account that AmigaOS was here before MacOSX, Windows 9x, BeoS, and even before linux was in usable form (and thus all derivated linuxes ie android, QNX,ios,Webos....)

Seems what matters more is that OS has ben absent from most people`s minds "for a while", and the niche price point ... "caught them richie boys unexpected" And the article doesn`t mention the name of OS at all, its important is "cool and expensive". Hope for better reviews

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@wawa

As I recall, Trevor received his board but is letting Amigakit use it for testing.

Chris

@QuikSanz

ah, may be good thing to do if amigakit has secured no beta board for themselves.

@eliyahu

That's just as conmfuisng as the announement.

For that price the OS should be fully included. No one is buying the X1000 to use it as a expensive Linux machine.

That may have happened to the A1 buit that's another story.

@wawa

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wawa wrote: uhm, just noticed in another thread about bit-by-bit software that apparently not all of 100 (trevors chart on amiwest) x1k betatesters received their boards yet. also trevor himself has admitted not to have one. yet the commercial release is still announced before the end of the year, am i right? so when the whole betatesting is going to take place and in what does it differs form buying "first contact" machine? price, complete system, access to betatester ml?

Yes.

@Hypex
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No one is buying the X1000 to use it as a expensive Linux machine.

Will you absolutely guarantee that?

@BrandonLee

it are certainly GOLDEN eggs

@Mechanic

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Will you absolutely guarantee that?

Only for myself.

For other perhaps they do have a Linux use for it exclusively. And Linux is the only is that can currently use the resources to the max and run double core.

I kept making that that point to a friend but he kept saying you don't run Linux on PC anymore, only x86. I kept making a point about the dual cores only running in Linux but we just ended up in an endless loop!

@Hypex

A few people here are thinking (wrongly, IMHO) this: "Since I can and will buy it, it means the price is right".

It's not. It's expensive and I fear it will hurt the community in the end.

Arguments like "If you can't afford it, you shouldn't complain" are wrong.
Every Amigan that is left "outside", is bad for the whole.
Many would be willing to make a sacrifice and buy it, but at this price, I seriously doubt it.

I'm not saying "give free X1000s to everyone!",but the price is frustratingly high...