@Tomas

Quote:

Again you fail to see that other users have different needs than you.

Wow, what a stupid comment.

Quote:

You sound like a fanboy making excuses.

You can call me a "fanboy" in jest, but don't ever call me that in anger again...

_________________
Hate tends to make you look stupid...

@Tomas

Quote:

Which is probably not much better than my sam 440ep, which should tell you something...

Good, now run along a go watch a movie, I suggest a comedy..

_________________
Hate tends to make you look stupid...

@number6

I am using a version of the driver that does have VBI .

Quote:

If you read my prior post about vertical blank interrupts and Hans (HDR) blog on the same topic, there might be the correlation.

_________________
Sam460ex : Radeon Rx550 Single slot Video Card : SIL3112 SATA card

@sundown

He will Implement a video playback solution that best fits in with the current crop of graphics cards. This will not prevent multiple graphics card solutions like Trevor has set up. Also there is much more processing power in the new cards so we should expect better results than for the 9200 series cards.

Quote:

sundown wrote: @Spectre660 Quote: Proves the point that you can live without overlay or the like with a fast CPU for now .Are you using the latest avcodec.library beta or not ?I am and it is about 5 % fater than the older one without Overlay. Still be nice to have overlay support, 1080p HDs would probably play without skipping. The developers have taken overlay off the table, just hope the decision proves to be the right one. I am using the new avcodec library.

_________________
Sam460ex : Radeon Rx550 Single slot Video Card : SIL3112 SATA card

@Jupp3

You really didn't understand what I was trying to say.

What you feel is simple is anything but. If a feature took a long time to implement what would you want, something that works or something that works and does extra stuff? Who wouldn't pick the 2nd option?

'overlay' will happen, but with limited time and resources, when it is done, wouldn't you want the technically better option?

_________________

@sundown
Wow.. It is stupid that I and others have different needs than you??

@WolfToTheMoon

Quote:

WolfToTheMoon wrote: I do, however, remember watching DVDs on a PII, so that should tell you how big of a mountain OS4 needs to climb.

With decoding in software? Really? Even P-III machines used to come equipped with MPEG decoder cards for viewing DVDs, for those willing to shell out the cash on such beasts. They worked effectively in a similar way to TV cards, directly placing the image into the VRAM which meant all the motherboard had to do was feed it data from the IDE drive and tell it what size it wanted. Any Amiga-type machine with a decent DVD drive interface could do that if it had drivers, but that's another story entirely of course...

_________________
RobTheNerd.com | InstallerGen | SMBMounter | Atoms-X

@ Who asked for this

It did play the audio .


Sam 440ep-Flex 800mhz RAdeon 9250 with overlay

9.WorkBench:> Programs:Video/DvPlayer/DvPlayer verbose
Media :My Videos/Test/big_buck_bunny_480p_surround-fix.avi
Video: AVI, 854 x 480, 24.00 fps
Audio: none
Total Nr of Frames: 2494
Nr of Frames played: 1625
Nr of Frames skipped: 869 (35%)
Total Playback Time: 103.839 seconds
Average Framerate: 24.018 fps
Displayed Framerate: 15.649 fps

Last edited by Spectre660 on 29-Jun-2012 at 02:16 AM.
Last edited by Spectre660 on 29-Jun-2012 at 02:15 AM.

_________________
Sam460ex : Radeon Rx550 Single slot Video Card : SIL3112 SATA card

@Daedalus

Does it matter? I have PII machine, from 1998, that can play DVDs.

_________________
OpenWindows Initiative. Port PS3 hardware to bananas. For free. Join today and receive expired $50 cupon from AI!

@opi

No, of course it doesn't matter. I'm just making the apples and oranges point, like for like and all that.

_________________
RobTheNerd.com | InstallerGen | SMBMounter | Atoms-X

@Derfs

Quote:

If a feature took a long time to implement what would you want, something that works or something that works and does extra stuff? Who wouldn't pick the 2nd option?

I guess almost everyone would want the 1st option now and the 2nd option at "unspecified time in the future".

@Jupp3

Quote:

Jupp3 wrote: @Derfs Quote: If a feature took a long time to implement what would you want, something that works or something that works and does extra stuff? Who wouldn't pick the 2nd option? I guess almost everyone would want the 1st option now and the 2nd option at "unspecified time in the future".

which would be a silly duplication of effort, and why wouldn't everyone wish for the 2nd option now?

_________________

@Daedalus

Quote:

Daedalus wrote: @WolfToTheMoon Quote: WolfToTheMoon wrote: I do, however, remember watching DVDs on a PII, so that should tell you how big of a mountain OS4 needs to climb. With decoding in software? Really? Even P-III machines used to come equipped with MPEG decoder cards for viewing DVDs, for those willing to shell out the cash on such beasts. They worked effectively in a similar way to TV cards, directly placing the image into the VRAM which meant all the motherboard had to do was feed it data from the IDE drive and tell it what size it wanted. Any Amiga-type machine with a decent DVD drive interface could do that if it had drivers, but that's another story entirely of course...

A P2/P3 at 450mhz or higher was just about fast enough to decode mpeg2 at 720x576/dvd.
The P2 was even faster than the first generation P3 when it came to processing power per mhz.
And nope, I had no decoding hardware in mine.

I also used another PII 500mhz as a dvb-s/pvr recorder. That card had built in decoding hardware, but I could still also play back 720x576 dvb files in software using vlc or similar.

Last edited by Tomas on 29-Jun-2012 at 02:33 PM.

@Jupp3

well, we all know option 1 won't arrive NOW, so would you REALLY delay option 2 by insisting that the developer first implements option 1?

Really? He already explained that the Linux drivers don't support it, cause it REALLY IS BEING OBSOLETED.

So your choices are boiling down to "get option 2 some time in the future" or "get option 2 some time in the future, but make it emulate option 1. Oh and make it quicker".

Honestly, you really think Hans owes you anything?

_________________
This weeks pet peeve:
Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

@Frags

Quote:

Frags wrote: I still use overlay on my pc because as soon as you start operating on textures it kicks the 3d clocks in and the card makes noise. Not a major caveat though I admit.

While playing videos in Eyefinity setup, my Radeon HD 7950 900Mhz OC remained in 500Mhz mode.

_________________
Ryzen 9 7900X, DDR5-6000 64 GB RAM, GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB
Amiga 1200 (Rev 1D1, KS 3.2, PiStorm32lite/RPi 4B 4GB/Emu68)
Amiga 500 (Rev 6A, KS 3.2, PiStorm/RPi 3a/Emu68)

@Tomas

Quote:

Tomas wrote: I am no developer or expert, but no overlay will afaik result in no vsync in videos as well. So I would say that it is pretty important if that is the case. And from experience no overlay also severely reduces video quality due to not having proper scaling.

All of my Radeon HD 5730M/5770/6950/7950 GPUs scores high HQV benchmark points.

Last edited by Hammer on 29-Jun-2012 at 03:23 PM.

_________________
Ryzen 9 7900X, DDR5-6000 64 GB RAM, GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB
Amiga 1200 (Rev 1D1, KS 3.2, PiStorm32lite/RPi 4B 4GB/Emu68)
Amiga 500 (Rev 6A, KS 3.2, PiStorm/RPi 3a/Emu68)

@Crumb

Quote:

Crumb wrote: @cha05e90 Quote: Aha. And your useless conclusion is - what exactly? It will be useless to be buy PCIe cards because R9200 offers much more (Overlay to play videos and 3d for stuff like Blender or 3d games) for at least two years. And despiting the fact that having overlay&3d right now and use your computer right now is much more interesting some fanboys will claim overlay is obsolete and will prefer to brag about having a PCIe card with no drivers that take advantage of it.

With LuxRender GPU blender (OpenCL) plugin, Radeon HD 7970 Ghz Edition is the fastest (single chip package) renderer for Blender .

With normal Radeon HD 7970...

Last edited by Hammer on 29-Jun-2012 at 03:36 PM.
Last edited by Hammer on 29-Jun-2012 at 03:33 PM.

_________________
Ryzen 9 7900X, DDR5-6000 64 GB RAM, GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB
Amiga 1200 (Rev 1D1, KS 3.2, PiStorm32lite/RPi 4B 4GB/Emu68)
Amiga 500 (Rev 6A, KS 3.2, PiStorm/RPi 3a/Emu68)

@olegil

Quote:

olegil wrote: Really? He already explained that the Linux drivers don't support it, cause it REALLY IS BEING OBSOLETED.

Open source Linux driver doesn't support OpenCL so it must be also obsolete?

@Tomas

Quote:

sundown wrote: @Spectre660 Heres what I get on the x1000 with a Radeon HD 4850, no overlay. 6.Videos:> work:tools/DvPlayer/DvPlayer verbose Videos:Red Planet.avi Video: AVI, 720 x 304, 23.98 fps Audio: 01 [AC3] 16-bit 48000 Hz, Stereo Total Nr of Frames: 4294 Nr of Frames played: 4293 Nr of Frames skipped: 1 (1%) Total Playback Time: 179.028 seconds Average Framerate: 23.985 fps Displayed Framerate: 23.980 fps Which is probably not much better than my sam 440ep, which should tell you something...

All it told me was that DVPlayer verbose had reported a suspicious number."1".
Which, as I understand it, repeated with yet other files.
Testing is being performed with much larger files that report a few dropped frames.
Conclusion: verbose output in DVPlayer may not be so accurate.

Prove me wrong.

Again, maybe one day in the far distant future we'll all have a place to upload files to test with that will reduce the number of crazy results posted. That day is not today, however.

#6

_________________
This posting, in its entirety, represents solely the perspective of the author.
*Secrecy has served us so well*

@Rose

Quote:

Rose wrote: @olegil Quote: olegil wrote: Really? He already explained that the Linux drivers don't support it, cause it REALLY IS BEING OBSOLETED. Open source Linux driver doesn't support OpenCL so it must be also obsolete?

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEwMjU
"Radeon Gallium3D OpenCL Is Coming Close"


http://www.muktware.com/3740/nvidia-loses-large-gpu-order-due-closed-source-drivers
AMD revisits MIPS CPU i.e. both AMD and ATI use to support MIPS.

http://www.lemote.com/products/computer/yilong/312.html
Loongson (MIPS)+ AMD RS780+SB710

Last edited by Hammer on 30-Jun-2012 at 01:57 AM.
Last edited by Hammer on 30-Jun-2012 at 01:50 AM.
Last edited by Hammer on 30-Jun-2012 at 01:37 AM.
Last edited by Hammer on 30-Jun-2012 at 01:34 AM.

_________________
Ryzen 9 7900X, DDR5-6000 64 GB RAM, GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB
Amiga 1200 (Rev 1D1, KS 3.2, PiStorm32lite/RPi 4B 4GB/Emu68)
Amiga 500 (Rev 6A, KS 3.2, PiStorm/RPi 3a/Emu68)