System boot times have come up in an X1000 thread, I feel this issue needs its own thread, so here it is, post your boot times & any info on what you have done to reduce the time.

X1000: 4850 gfx card, sata boot HD
17 sec to a-eon splash screen
27 sec to boot option menu
52 sec to WB

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@sundown

Is 52 sec your overall?

Here is mine:

Overall: 1:12 min
up to a-eon splash: 11 sec
up to boot menu: 22 sec

X1000: 4850 gfx card, sata boot HD - SFS

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@gerograph

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Is 52 sec your overall?

Yes, cold boot to WB is 52 sec.

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@sundown

Interesting that you and gerograph have the same GPU and the splash screen takes longer on yours. I'd be curious to know what the card manufacturer, clock speed and RAM are for each card.

53 secs ? Thats pathetic

thats no more bragging about boottimes for Amiga users....

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@sundown

The answer is way too long. That is the one really annoying thing about my X1000. Once running, its fine, warm boot not bad but from cold it seems I wait an eternity before I can do anything.

A-EON splash screen 8 sec
Boot option menu 22 sec
OS4 splash screen 38 sec
WB loaded 50 sec



4670 hfx card, sata SSD boot partition.

@BillE

Boot times are over rated, I'd rather give up 15 sec to boot for a faster system after. Lets face it, boot time went to hell after the C64 died.

My main goal here is to see how long different gfx cards take before the menu shows. I also wonder how many are still booting to WB at 500MHz & not 1.8GHz.

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Cold boot:
* to U-Boot OS/Kicklayout selector: 9 seconds
* to disappearance of Kickstart loading screen: 8 seconds (Kickstart is loaded from a PATA HD connected to the motherboard IDE controller)
* to fully loaded Workbench: 6 seconds (Workbench is loaded from a SATA SSD connected to the Silicon controller)
* overall: 23 seconds

Warm boot:
* 7 seconds if the HD is already on
* 12 seconds if the HD is off (the system turns it on first, then waits for it even if it not used for anything)

The reason of the two drives is that U-Boot doesn't know the Silicon controller, so I'm obliged to have the HD for booting the Kickstart. It's totally unused otherwise - in fact, I turn it off at the beginning of the startup-sequence with this command:

IDETool >NIL: -p a1ide.device 0 5

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@sundown

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Boot times are over rated

At the moment, to me they are really important: given that there is no bomb-proof memory protection and no full resource tracking, when my code acts up in a particularly bad way I often have to reboot the machine, and that's a pain when the bug is hard to find (i.e. lots of reboots are needed).

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Lets face it, boot time went to hell after the C64 died.

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... the C64 died.

Ah, no, wait... why, really?!?

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@Rob

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Interesting that you and gerograph have the same GPU and the splash screen takes longer on yours. I'd be curious to know what the card manufacturer, clock speed and RAM are for each card.

Mines a Sappire 4850 with 512MB. the init times of each card is different & has nothing to do with any other x1000 h/w, its a proven gfx card issue.

My question is why is his overall time longer?

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@sundown

My guess is that it has something to do with the network, that's why it takes longer to him.

However, the boot times that you described must be almost equal to the ones I got with my SamEp440 mITX 667Mhz (until Update 2 where I stopped using it).

So if we compare yours, my and gerograph's boot times, it seems that there might not be a real advantage over specific hardware parts (CPU clock, different RAM speed and typical SATA2 HD vs SSD), given their major differences and it's mostly software limitations (BIOS, WB booting routines etc), imo.

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@Cool_amigaN

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My guess is that it has something to do with the network, that's why it takes longer to him.

I agree, just talking to another x1000 user with a 30 sec soft boot time, I asked him to mod his S-S file to test just that.

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@sundown

here's a quick vid on YouTube on a cold boot of my X1000.

soft boot time is approx. 10 seconds

btw, I'm running a RadeonHD 6850 video card & catweasel MK4+, SATA HD, booting amigaboot file from CF card on Nemo

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@sundown

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My main goal here is to see how long different gfx cards take before the menu shows. I also wonder how many are still booting to WB at 500MHz & not 1.8GHz.

Nobody is booting WB at 500Mhz!
This whole 500Mhz, 1800Mhz thing needs clarifying. This is what happens in a nutshell

PMU state not set in CFE

X1000 Power On @ 500Mhz
Hardware and Graphics card init @ 500Mhz
STARTUP Variable Read from CFE ENV
Menu Appears @ 500Mhz*
AmigaBoot.of and Kickstart Modules Load @ 500Mhz*
Kernal executes and make sure CPU is at 1800Mhz
WB Boots at 1800Mhz

PMU state set to A4 in CFE

X1000 Power On @ 500Mhz
Hardware and Graphics card init @ 500Mhz
STARTUP Variable Read from CFE ENV
Menu Appears @ 1800Mhz
AmigaBoot.of and Kickstart Modules Load @ 1800Mhz
Kernal executes and makes sure CPU is at 1800Mhz
WB Boots at 1800Mhz

*Changing PMU State to A4 esentially only speed up these steps.

If you want to speed it up faster to shave off another 4 seconds

unsetenv MENU_TIMEOUT
setenv -p MENU_TIMEOUT 1

Will bring the menu timer to 1 second... Factory was 5

I suggest X1000 owners read the CFE guide on the First Contact CD / ISO

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@sundown

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Boot times are over rated, I'd rather give up 15 sec to boot for a faster system after.

It depends how patient you are - and I'm not. When I turn on the computer it is because I want to do something, not sit staring at a boot sequence

Especially when developing you can end up with a lockup that can only be cleared by a cold reset - so 1 minute boot up is one minute lost time.

I am sure something could be done in firmware to speed up the initial stages that crawl at 500MHz or so. I would understand on early alpha models but why is the CPU not running at 1800MHZ immediately.

I have the CPU set to A4 as soon as is possible and shaved off time for all the OS section of booting but the initial stages are still far too long.

My XE has loaded WB before the OS4 screen even appears on the X1000.

Not sure if its possible but classic user(s) may could reduce loading time if there was new 4.x roms. There are already user(s) on other site doing there own roms and may have a bootable PCMCIA slot soon.

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@sundown

With my SAM460

37 secs to splash screen
55 secs to Workbench screen

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@delshay
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Not sure if its possible but classic user(s) may could reduce loading time if there was new 4.x roms. There are already user(s) on other site doing there own roms and may have a bootable PCMCIA slot soon.

for a big box amiga user the best solution is to get deneb and make your own custom kick including noide-module, given you have your hd on another faster controller (like the deneb itself for example, you can boot from usb thumb). this removes the necessity of reboot and the system starts within few seconds with all bells and whistles.

i dont know if similar procedure can be utilized for os4, in fact afair os4 on my a4k didnt like deneb flash enabled at all and got caught in endless loops, so i had to turn it off while running it. but it is rather long ago so i may not remember all details. also im not sure if os4 kmod concept is compatible enough to genuine amiga kickstart to be able to forge an amiga kickstart image or physical die out of it. it may be too big.

@wawa

Let's see what these users can do and there are a lot more threads on this OS3.x for now but I have seen OS3.9 custom roms. There is talk that the A1200 can take 1Mb roms by using the two spare pin sockets on the motherboard near the rom socket,have not check myself but would be interesting if it works.

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=67847

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@delshay

i wouldnt go for eproms, rather for some flash device as this one on deneb. or one that fits into the kickstart socket. and you can have 1mb roms (images) with the aca accelerator series as far as i know. pity its not possible with deneb. but since many higher end devices offr that feature, i doubt there is necessity to have 1mb kickstart on unexpanded amiga.

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