@Spectre660

Even better. Looks like CFE could do with the UBoot emulator.

At this point I feel by using generic PC hardware we are again pulled down to their level. We've gone from instant images to ten second or more delays at least. This does not fit the Amiga ethos. What's the point of having powerful hardware if it very slow to startup? I doubt I am using 10% of my graphics card capacity.

And, given we are at risk of instability, with USB input devices going dead. We can no longer rely on an OS reboot when we can't generate it. We must reboot the whole machine and endure another lenghy delay.

@thread

Hi all. Just got my X1000 yesterday and it's all working well. Anyone know how long it takes for Hyperion to email out our login details? I've already received an email from A-Eon but not one from Hyperion?

@gonegahgah

Wow! Another X1000 user in my country!

Gee the things that excite me. Must have gone gah gah on that one.

You're the forth I know of. You are number four. So what's your state, buddy?

As to your question regarding log in, you need to sign up at the Hyperion site, with your serial number. So you create an account and add your machine to it. Have you done this? Or awaiting something else?

@Hypex

Hi Hypex Good to know there are a few of us.
I'm in Qld. What state are the others in?

The First Contact information that came with my delivery says:
"In the near future Hyperion Entertainment will send you an email with your Amiga OS4.2 serial number as proof of your purchase and your entitlement to an AmigaOS 4.2 licence. This email will also include an invitation for you to register your AmigaONE X1000 system and software on Hyperion Entertainment's website ... Full details will be provided in the email."

I was wondering how far into the future that 'near future' is?
I don't otherwise appear to have a serial number for my Amiga OS 4 yet?
Or should I find it someway else?

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@gonegahgah

As far as I know, ssolie sends out the os4 serial # after Amigakit gives him your email address, he then sends it to you. You should have got info with the system on how the registration works, if not, you need to contact AmigaKit. Steven had not received any info for you yet as of Fri your time. Delays happen, but they shouldn't be long.

Just relaying what I know.

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@gonegahgah

congrats & welcome to the club

@ Hypex

looks like you guys have a nice number for an X1000 club

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@klx300r

Thanks klx300r. Nice to be here.

@sundown

Thanks sundown.

The reason I was pondering was because A-Eon emailed me quite early in the process. Though I guess the OS installation is probably one of the later operations.

The X1000 began it's journey from AmigaKit on May20 and arrived May 29. It actually arrived in Australia on May 25 and then took another 4 days to travel the final leg... I got my email from A-Eon on May 14 so they really got in quick; before it even departed! I paid for it on Apr 4 but the picking process began on Apr 22.

So maybe the email from AmigaKit to Hyperion may have gone astray or something or still be in the process of being sent? I'll ask AmigaKit either way (just in case). I thought I might have to ask Hyperion somehow but AmigaKit sounds like a better plan, thanks for that.

@Hypex

The slow initialization of some gx cards and being unable to reboot with usb keyboards when the system locks up are certainly annoying but rest assured it did not go unnoticed as devs and betatesters have to reboot more often than most users.

As frustrating as these issues may be, IMHO development time is better spent improving the OS and applications so that there won't be crashes in the first place. Improvements in the OS can help improving the usb stack too so that eventually it reliably allows rebooting from the keyboard.

In the meantime, there are some alternatives:

For faster cold boots, use one of the gfx cards which are known to initialize quickly. My HD4670 only takes a few seconds, and I'm guessing that PCI 9xxx cards take even less time.

To be able to reboot when the keyboard doesn't react, keep a remote shell open via AUX: (e.g. from User-Startup so it's always there) then with a null-modem cable and terminal on the other end you can simply type "reboot fast" (unless the system is badly crashed, but then even a PS/2 keyboard wouldn't work anyway).

Or you can use a small local web server like ARWS with a script to reboot from a bookmark on another computer or phone. It's a little less resilient than AUX: but it works most of the time.

Or maybe you could have a script looping every 10 secs and quietly checking if volume "Reboot:" is mounted. That way you could force a reboot by inserting a CD labelled "Reboot". I haven't tested that method but it should work too and should have no impact if Assign and Wait are made resident.

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@gonegahgah

Nice one, well done

Will see you on the official forums some time

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@gonegahgah

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I'm in Qld. What state are the others in?

Others are in Vic like me. And the rest are between you and me! We have some local boys working on OS4 on our side of the land.

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I was wondering how far into the future that 'near future' is?

Okay well as OS4.2 is way off (no sign yet) it will be futher still.

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I don't otherwise appear to have a serial number for my Amiga OS 4 yet?

If you got a CD you should have it. Did you get an OS4.1 CD with serial?

@klx300r

Yes, it's going to be called the Xclusive 1K club. Like to join?

@AlexC

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...betatesters have to reboot more often than most users.

I kmow! I'm one of them.

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As frustrating as these issues may be

It would be yes, but it always has been that way. Historically, unless a firmware bug affects loading of OS4, it won't be fixed. It's possible to crash CFE as well so it won't recover from reboot, bus since OS4 can still boot if you don't touch CFE and leave it alone, that's unlikely to fixed either.

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For faster cold boots

I wish I knew that! I wouldn't have been sucked into buying the best that was supported. If I knew anything sbout modern PCs I would have the bought a basic one until we had better support.

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My HD4670 only takes a few seconds

And yet my close HD4890 takes 15.

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To be able to reboot when the keyboard doesn't react, keep a remote shell open via AUX:

Good idea! Of course needing a serial cable to do an OS reboot just makes OS4 look cumbersome.

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Or you can use a small local web server like ARWS with a script to reboot

Interesting.

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Or maybe you could have a script looping every 10 secs and quietly checking if volume "Reboot:" is mounted.

Wow you are really cracking with these ideas! Strange yet useful. Thanks for the tips.

@Slayer

How fast is that HD7970 to boot?

And, do you have a dual X!000 setup to make OctaMED songs like in the twin A1200 days, or to run an X1000 super computer with a quad core 1.8Ghz CPU?

@sundown

AmigaONE X1000, Radeon HD 6450 gfx card, 1 Tb sata boot HD

- 14,7 sec to a-eon splash screen
- 28,1 sec to boot option menu
- 47,2 sec to to Amiga BB logo
- 1:03:2 min to WB

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@all

I'm sorry that this will sound negative, but I only want to provide food for thought.

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Fernecho wrote: @sundown AmigaONE X1000, Radeon HD 6450 gfx card, 1 Tb sata boot HD - 14,7 sec to a-eon splash screen - 28,1 sec to boot option menu - 47,2 sec to to Amiga BB logo - 1:03:2 min to WB

These times are more or less in line with the other ones, and I cannot but think that something's wrong - and I wonder if the problem affects the system also after booting.
Putting the graphics card initialization aside (which should take only the lesser part of the minute that the X1000 needs to fully boot), it's enough to compare the 26 seconds of the last phase time with the 23 seconds my A1 needs to boot from power-off state (with 5-second HD spinning and all the rest) to see that numbers don't add up...

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@saimo
For many tests I do, I always get the same times, more or less, second up second down.

The sequence is as follows:
I press the power button, the screen is black during the first 14 seconds until the A-Eon screen appears , about 14 seconds later, after A-Eon screen appears (28 + or- after pressing the start button ) appears the boot window option , leave the default option ( AmigaOS, and without pressing the return key ) after about 19 seconds ( 47, 48 + or - after pressing the start button ) the AmigaOS 4.1 logo screen appears with Boing Ball, and about 26 seconds or so ( more or less 73.2 seconds after pressing the start button ) Workbench screen appears.

I've done several tests, and among all sections of the test may have a variation of about + or - 3 or 4 seconds.

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@Fernecho

No worries, I guess you've been fooled by an "XE" not included in my post
I wasn't saying your times aren't reliable - pretty much the opposite: since they're about the same of those posted by others, I took them for valid and used them for a comparison with my A1 XE (whose specs and performance I posted early in this thread).

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Hypex wrote: @klx300r Yes, it's going to be called the Xclusive 1K club. Like to join?

LOL I'm a wee bit away from your island

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@Hypex

Sending the email to AmigaKit seems to have done the trick or else things were already in process? Solie sent me my email with my S/N now so I've registered my product.

@Slayer

Will do. Have registered at the official forums and am just awaiting activation.

@Hypex

We're really repping the East coast. No kin in WA yet?

@Hypex/Slayer

Does the X1000 support the HD7xxx ("Southern Island") series? AEon's website only mentions HD-4xxx thru HD-6xxx?

I've got one here; though I'll have to check the model.
If they are compatible I'll give it a test for boot time vs my HD6570...

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@saimo

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it's enough to compare the 26 seconds of the last phase time with the 23 seconds my A1 needs to boot from power-off state (with 5-second HD spinning and all the rest) to see that numbers don't add up...

You need to remember that kickstart on the x1000 is not the same as the A1, the dir size is a lot bigger, so longer to load, this is the difference. You will notice that a soft reboot is about 10 sec on each system, that tells you there is no OS slow down after booting.

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