@pavlor

Yes, and?

Thing is the old G4/G5 kit is fast enough to handle usual tasks of today. Browsing is fast, full hd video works, most other stuff as well. Demandig games aren't there anyway, the now supported hardware provides a little buffer to be filled in that regard.

What would be the alternative?
Switching to x86 - on the long run a good idea. But takes time.
New ppc hardware - well, w/o proper SMP wouldn't change a lot except prices.
Going ARM - most hardware is pretty closed, something like the Raspberry Pi is cheap and relatively open, but way to underpowered. A used mac mini is not much cheaper and dances circles around a Pi. the ARM port doesn't come w7o hassles, too.
Giving up - probably the most reasonable appoach, but where's the fun then.


The MorphOS team doesn't do everything right, they aren't saints, nor almighty or all knowing. But all in all they pursue pretty much a course that I would pursue (with the given resources) as well. Well, I would try to do at least a little active marketing.

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@TheDaddy

I hope Acube leave this AMCC stuff behind and switch to QorIQ for their next development. The e6500 T2080 would probably be kind of an interesting chip. Maybe by using hypervisor techniques the many cores could actually get used somehow.

On the long run Acube can benefit from MorphOS Apple support. Once MorphOS established a broader user base, more demand for hardwrae may develop. Only problem, the user base develops way too slow. I hope support for the Sam460 comes soon though.

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@TheDaddy

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The thing is...Apple like amazon and google don't pay their taxes..

as if apple paying or trying to avoid paying taxes (like every other big multinational concern) had any merit for morphos users in choice of their hardware.

also comparing apple and amazon,... please, apple isnt supporting neo facist politicians so far i know, this would be a reason not to buy their gear even second hand.

@wawa

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as if apple paying or trying to avoid paying taxes (like every other big multinational concern) had any merit for morphos users in choice of their hardware.

?!? What?!? Who said anything about that? Chip on the shoulder comes to mind.

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also comparing apple and amazon,... please, apple isnt supporting neo facist politicians so far i know, this would be a reason not to buy their gear even second hand.

Big corporations are big corporations...dig deep and you'll find evil.
Although you'd find people still buying second hand Apple gear even if they DID support fascist regimes.

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@TheDaddy

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Big corporations are big corporations...dig deep and you'll find evil.

very likely, but human being is evil by definition. we cruelly imprison and kill animals and eat their corpses parts, we wear their skin.. most we can do is try to chosse lesser evil. and im actually an apple hater, though i can undrstand morphos team philosophy.

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@Rose

It would be downright ridiculous to argue with a price like that

My country is too small and rich to have a thriving second hand market / community, I suspect a lot of people suffer from the same. I did find a used 2GHz G5 just now online, pickup only and 2000 NOK, about 300 USD. That's an 8 year old machine, 6 years out of warranty

To me, this is not really appealing. But each to his / her own.

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@olegil

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My country is too small and rich to have a thriving second hand market / community, I suspect a lot of people suffer from the same. I did find a used 2GHz G5 just now online, pickup only and 2000 NOK, about 300 USD. That's an 8 year old machine, 6 years out of warranty To me, this is not really appealing. But each to his / her own.

There is other side of the coin: in poorer East Europe, such things are rarer and yet considered to be value (cause its Mac) so its more expensive (people still value G5 systems over 350 euros) to get one second hand, even our mid salary is about that ... 350 euros.

Even we do have thriving second hand markets, only large scale economies like US ebay tend to offer downsizing prices: logic is different.

And yes, exactly, even G5 is an excellent machine still, in PPC terms, being that old is not best advertisment as well as it bears risks that it might be gone too.

That is why I find MorphOS for SAM 460 appealing, not only for already SAM 460 users, but as ability to present nice new hardware that can run MorphOS, even it is expensive for todays standards (but then again remember how much those G3,G4 and G5 Macs used to cost when they were sold as new).

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@wawa

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as if apple paying or trying to avoid paying taxes (like every other big multinational concern) had any merit for morphos users in choice of their hardware.

Apple pays $16,000,000 @ day in US corp income taxes (35%). They are keeping over hundred billion in off shore accounts because they already paid taxes on that money in the markets they sold in, they just don't want to pay 35% in additional taxes to bring the money into the US. This wasn't about Apple not paying their fair share, this is about political shakedown of Apple to spread the wealth via PACs (Political Action Committees). PACs hire family, friends, and "former" Congressional Staff employees so plenty of money is spread around, just not directly into Congress own pockets.

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@pavlor

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How fast is R300 in comparison to R200 in games like Quake2/3?

Answering to myself: Warp3D is not supported (yet?) on R300! But these games use TinyGL, I think?

Nobody did any benchmarks?

Edit2:
MorphOS 3.2 on PowerMac G5 supports only 1 GB RAM.

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@AlexC

Speaking of faults in Apple product, don't forget the narcoleptic powerbook issue, a fault in the temprature sensor on a ribbon cable connecting the keyboard and trackpad to the motherboard, apple never even affirmed the problem, yet there are thousands of cases of this, the fix was easy enough, remove the sensor, though only OSX was ever affected by the issue, Linux and MorphOS didnt think there was a meltdown or iceage because of one faulty sensor.

Or the issue of not using nearly enough "thermal adhesive" on the board, especially the gpu.

Anyway, hooray! Now what about wlan?

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@pavlor

http://morphos-files.net/find.php?find=quake

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@itix

Yes, I see. Now where are benchmarks?

@olegil

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olegil wrote: @Rose It would be downright ridiculous to argue with a price like that My country is too small and rich to have a thriving second hand market / community, I suspect a lot of people suffer from the same. I did find a used 2GHz G5 just now online, pickup only and 2000 NOK, about 300 USD. That's an 8 year old machine, 6 years out of warranty To me, this is not really appealing. But each to his / her own.

Well Finland isn't too big either and Apple haven't been too popular here in PPC times. But ebay.de for example has ####loads of sub €100 G5 powermacs even postage from germany isn't bad.

@pavlor

Dunno. I dont even know what Radeon my Mac has.

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@Rose

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Well Finland isn't too big either and Apple haven't been too popular here in PPC times. But ebay.de for example has ####loads of sub €100 G5 powermacs even postage from germany isn't bad.

In Norway you have to deal with customs.

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@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @pavlor Quote: How fast is R300 in comparison to R200 in games like Quake2/3? Answering to myself: Warp3D is not supported (yet?) on R300! But these games use TinyGL, I think?

A pity, but that's the price of moving forward.
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Nobody did any benchmarks?

Will come.
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Edit2: MorphOS 3.2 on PowerMac G5 supports only 1 GB RAM.

Currently RAM is limited to 1 GB, that may change with a follow up release. It's part of the price to support that very different system architecture (PCIe is part of the issue IIRC). And while in general the more RAM the better is true, 1 GB is pretty okay for MorphOS. My main machine has 1 GB, too and I rarely meet a limitation (sometimes RAM disk is too full or I need to relaunch OWB to clean up RAM again, but all in all it's okay).

Ther are very few hairs in this delicious 3.2 soup.

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@vox

There is also a third side of coin ;). In (poor?) central Europe - used Powermacs G5 are cheap and easily available, so instead of 350 euro you pay 350 PLN here. I bought my PM G5 2x2GHz for 140 PLN.

Sure new PPC hw would be nice, but if not mass produced it will be always "overpriced and slow".

@Zylesea

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PCIe is part of the issue IIRC

MorphOS supports last PCIe generation of PowerMac G5? I thought only AGP/PCI-X models are supported.

@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @Zylesea Quote: PCIe is part of the issue IIRC MorphOS supports last PCIe generation of PowerMac G5? I thought only AGP/PCI-X models are supported.

Because planing ahead is bad?

@Rose

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Because planing ahead is bad?

Of course not. MorphOS on 970MP would be really nice.

There are PCIe based computers with AmigaOS (X1000, SAM460EX) that don´t have such problem, I wonder what issues has G5 in this regard.