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RobertJDohnert 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 25-Jun-2013 18:43:40
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@vox

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Now, your test of Amiga Inc might be difficult. They want their 600$ per product a year and I do believe its unworthy. Better go back to OS4 Linux. Now seeing that licence is not that expensive I see how greedy CUSA was.


Agreed, thats what we have done and I have gotten nothing out of Amiga Inc but PR spin and how Hyperion Entertainment is the Apple of EUROPE.

On a side note, this morning during our skype session Josh, one of our developers, said the exact same thing as you just did.

My use of the Amiga name was an attempt similar to what Barry did which was bring the trademark holder to the table and get something positive done. I can see that lightning doesnt strike twice and I have since moved on from it and we will continue to work with you guys, the Amiga community, and the companies involved, A-EON and AmigaKit, and work on solutions and solutions to problems to better the space for Linux and Amiga users who like the PowerPC platform. We have a strong brand and I am perfectly content to leave it at that. I do apologize if I offended anyone or made anyone think that we were trying to hijack anyone.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 25-Jun-2013 18:52:45
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@RobertJDohnert

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My use of the Amiga name was an attempt similar to what Barry did which was bring the trademark holder to the table and get something positive done. I can see that lightning doesnt strike twice and I have since moved on from it and we will continue to work with you guys, the Amiga community, and the companies involved, A-EON and AmigaKit, and work on solutions and solutions to problems to better the space for Linux and Amiga users who like the PowerPC platform. We have a strong brand and I am perfectly content to leave it at that. I do apologize if I offended anyone or made anyone think that we were trying to hijack anyone.

no apologies needed. i for one am grateful to see any fresh faces on the linux for power scene. whether or not that has anything to do with 'amiga' or doesn't really matter too much. welcome!



-- eliyahu

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RobertJDohnert 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 25-Jun-2013 18:54:34
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@vox

BTW the discussion from everyone this morning was this. The only way we would bring an Amiga branded Linux distro is if we had the blessings of Hyperion, Amiga Inc and most importantly the Amiga community. So yes, my team does care about the going ons.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 25-Jun-2013 18:58:03
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@RobertJDohnert

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Hyperion Entertainment is the Apple of EUROPE.


That's a somewhat new spin from his prior stance.

Quote:
The product that we are going to ship is going to be much better than OSX from Apple


Bill McEwen from 2006.

source

Now I'm really confused about which company is Apple...

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 25-Jun-2013 19:05:19
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@number6

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number6 wrote:
@RobertJDohnert

Quote:
Hyperion Entertainment is the Apple of EUROPE.


That's a somewhat new spin from his prior stance.

#6




Maybe he meant it in a nice way.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 25-Jun-2013 19:38:40
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@Boot_WB

Who said he was even talking bout a company ?

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 25-Jun-2013 21:46:08
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@number6

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Bill McEwen from 2006. source Now I'm really confused about which company is Apple...


I do recall Barry saying they will beat HP and Apple ...

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
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@RobertJDohnert

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BTW the discussion from everyone this morning was this. The only way we would bring an Amiga branded Linux distro is if we had the blessings of Hyperion, Amiga Inc and most importantly the Amiga community. So yes, my team does care about the going ons.


Well, you can license AmigaOne way cheaper I suppose from Hyperion and for need of PPC boards is good enough and contains Amiga name embedded.

Its quite small community anyway, so my 2 cents is to keep focusing on x86 version while building AmigaOne (PPC) port slowly.

Do not mix Amiga name for x86 version. Might really end up like C=OS.

Build a good team, as people do notice website looks like single man effort.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 25-Jun-2013 22:18:18
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@RobertJDohnert

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Thats because we did the openly contribute thing and it made a mess out of everything.

Sure, the "openly contribute thing" didn't work for you - let's just leave it at that. And let's ignore that half of the things I listed were not about contributing, but about infrastructure for users. And let's ignore that the first 40 google hits for "os4 openlinux" all pointed to your own site two days ago (ironically, there are some links to Amiga forums in the first 40 hits now).

Quote:

Im trying really to understand the root of your argument here, the whole thing sounds like a vent to me.

The root of my argument is that your project doesn't seem to go anywhere, and that this is the reason why you're here. The root of my argument is that your business plan sounds a lot like all the other business plans I got to witness in the last 15 years:

Step 1: TRADEMARKS!!!!
Step 2:(still working on that one)
Step 3: FAME, SUCCESS, MONEY, NAKED CHICKS!!!

So let me ask you again:

What's the advantage that OS4 OpenLinux offers for us (PPC desktop users) compared to Ubuntu, Mint, Debian? Why would we actually want this?

It's a simple question - one that you totally ignored in your last reply. Please make a case for your product. That can't be asking too much, can it?

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Who says Im raping the Amiga trademark?

I do. There's really no connection between your product and the trademark you're trying to get your hands on. Using an old trademark to sell a product or get some more attention is raping, as far as I'm concerned. On top of that, you openly admit that you got contacted by the owner of the trademark, and that he didn't want to give you a license. Yet you're still here and you're still planning to rebrand your Linux distribution as "Amiga". What would you call that?

I can't give you my honest opinion about McEwen or Ben Hermans, because it would get deleted instantly. But that doesn't mean we're all free to act like scum now, just as long as McEwen/Hermans are the target of whatever atrocities we commit.

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So thats why you are so angry, you think Im trying to rape the Amiga?

Nope, like I said: be my guest.

I'm angry because you're either trolling all of us or you're just really, really not-so-clever. It's completely obvious that nothing useful is ever going to come out of this - we witnessed half a dozen wannabe community leaders like you come and go. And the result was the same every xxxxxxx time: People getting annoyed, people getting pissed or disillusioned, people leaving the community.

I don't care about the trademark anymore. I care about the community. And said community doesn't need you, that much is for sure.

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When you attack our product, when you attack our presentation you insult them, thus I get offended.

I didn't "attack" your product, I said it's useless for this community. If you consider that an "attack", maybe you should switch to another job.

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then Mr. cgutjahr feel free to exit stage left

LOL.

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vox 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 25-Jun-2013 22:24:44
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@cgutjahr

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Hardware Support - We will be creating and making Amiga branded hardware for the masses. x64 based Servers, contemporary desktops and we will maintain our partnership with ASUS and bring rebranded ASUS laptops with Amiga OpenLinux and Amiga Enterprise Linux. Now, the AmigaOS 4.1, is a PowerPC based system, what we plan to do for those users is make our desktop cases in such a way, and work with PowerPC developers so that the x86 boards can be swapped out with PowerPC boards so users can use both systems whenever they wish. We will also be maintaining a close relationship with the Amiga community and expand the OS4 Marketplace so that customers can buy AmigaOS supported hardware as well.


Sounds exactly like C=USA with better PR to community. Again: requires licence from Amiga Inc and might end up the same, because no one in PC world sees added value in Amiga name. Its interesting idea of dual hardware approach, but unless you got functional PPC 615 its mask to keep community calm for name (ab)use.

I don`t really see how non AmigaOS related Linux has suddenly in 15 days became so AmigaOS related.

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sundown 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 25-Jun-2013 22:34:29
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And now Number 6 , you should post YOUR personal information so that those

You might do the same.

Lets see;

number6-8030 posts, 0 ARs
blizz1220-31 posts, 2 ARs

Who do you think ppl will respect more, you or him... ?

Don't wander in here & demand that ppl kiss your butt.

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wawa 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 25-Jun-2013 22:53:53
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@cgutjahr

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I don't care about the trademark anymore. I care about the community. And said community doesn't need you, that much is for sure.

apparently it does:
Quote:

eliyahu:
no apologies needed. i for one am grateful to see any fresh faces on the linux for power scene. whether or not that has anything to do with 'amiga' or doesn't really matter too much. welcome!

or at least a part of it.

@vox
Quote:
I don`t really see how non AmigaOS related Linux has suddenly in 15 days became so AmigaOS related.

according to above post it doesnt need to be "amiga" related as long as its ppc related, in order to gain some fresh faces on this forum. which probably is true..

Last edited by wawa on 25-Jun-2013 at 10:55 PM.

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Aslak3 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 25-Jun-2013 23:04:04
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Amiga != Linux. How the hell linux running on PPC can make linux more amiga-ish is anyone's bloody guess. Does this version of linux come with some boing ball backgrounds or something?

This is the craziest thread I've read in the 9 odd months sine I joined.

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eliyahu 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 25-Jun-2013 23:05:35
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@wawa

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apparently it does:

no, i wasn't suggesting the amiga platform needs another linux distribution to run in addition to AOS (or its various clones). not at all. but it's always nice to see another supported linux distro available for power-based hardware. that's all i meant.

-- eliyahu

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Posted on 25-Jun-2013 23:11:22
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@Aslak3

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This is the craziest thread I've read in the 9 odd months sine I joined.


its pretty usual around here, just keep watching;)

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blizz1220 
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Posted on 25-Jun-2013 23:15:23
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@sundown

I won't even bother reading rest of yours ramblings ...
But you are right , nobody likes me on Amigaworld so I won't post
either ... Play any way you like ;)

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wawa 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
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@blizz1220

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nobody likes me on Amigaworld so I won't post


oh, it takes some guts to stay here, why the drama?

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Posted on 25-Jun-2013 23:29:13
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@wawa

I have the guts , I don't have a stomach for it
Seems to me they will just start another war , I wasn't there for
the last one and I sure as hell won't be here for this one ...
AND I HATE BLOODY TYPING

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@sundown

Quote:

sundown wrote:
@blizz1220

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And now Number 6 , you should post YOUR personal information so that those

You might do the same.

Lets see;

number6-8030 posts, 0 ARs
blizz1220-31 posts, 2 ARs

Who do you think ppl will respect more, you or him... ?

Don't wander in here & demand that ppl kiss your butt.


Really? 2 ARs? Try 21 here.

If I see 0 AR's on Amigaworld that to me is usually a sign that some has
been doing a little to much, as you say, kissing of the butt

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@eliyahu

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eliyahu wrote:
but it's always nice to see another supported linux distro available for power-based hardware. that's all i meant.

-- eliyahu


Are you sure that's what it is? Honestly I'm lost, but this is what I read on their site:

Quote:
Hardware Support - We will be creating and making Amiga branded hardware for the masses. x64 based Servers, contemporary desktops and we will maintain our partnership with ASUS and bring rebranded ASUS laptops with Amiga OpenLinux and Amiga Enterprise Linux. Now, the AmigaOS 4.1, is a PowerPC based system, what we plan to do for those users is make our desktop cases in such a way, and work with PowerPC developers so that the x86 boards can be swapped out with PowerPC boards so users can use both systems whenever they wish. We will also be maintaining a close relationship with the Amiga community and expand the OS4 Marketplace so that customers can buy AmigaOS supported hardware as well.


http://www.os4online.com/

Then there latest post on June 24th:
Quote:
As we work with you to migrate from expensive and inflexible UNIX servers to the datacenter of the future, look to OS4 Enterprise Linux on x86




So can we all just start using the name and logos now then? Or is this guy special and Amigaworld is going to grant him "God" status for some strange reason?




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