@Signal

Same misinterpretation of DC_Edge: as far as i remember what ARIX was, they are just using a stripped down kernel and NOT all linux cruft: no, not even the shell.

What you fear about is the usual hosted that is yes bloated because has all the linux heritage stuff.

If instead is a matter of purism (mean if is not EXEC is not an amiga-like os, is taaaaainted, impure, a monster etc.) then feel free to not use it.

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@DC_Edge

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Linux is completely different than aOS(ses), this is a true nightmare for me, where every piece of software in absolutely un-understandable by any tech guy who has not spent 500 hours playing with the su command and any other non senses (editors with so strange shortcuts).

Once again. Linux kernel is not the same as GNU/Linux! The "su" command *IS NOT* part of the Linux kernel. Editors with "so strange shortcuts" are neither part of the Linux kernel.

People, come on. *THINK* before you post... PLEASE....

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mac products are linux ones

What???

The tragedy of losing Amithlon as the way forward meant that a far, far easier route to better software was lost too. You could code x86 apps that ran on the Linux kernel that Amithlon ran on top of and they'd run seamlessly on the Amiga side - at least that's my understanding. Imagine a working Firefox port, for example.

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@saimon69

ah. so that's what ARIX is? AROS userland + linux kernel? nice. i'll probably stick with linux-hosted AROS because i want the GNU userland, too, but good luck with it.

how much work -- beyond a recompile -- will be required of AROS application developers to support the new underpinnings?

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@michalsc

O God forgive them lest they dont know what are talking about :)

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@eliyahu

is it? ;)

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@drstrangelove

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Sorry for my bad english

It's really not that bad, and even if it was, there would be no need to apologize for it.

You should see my french...

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@Signal

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I have tried most of them.... something is either missing or just does not feel right. Yeah, 'feel'. No, I can't explain it, and for those that have forgotten or have never used AmigaOS, there is no hope of ever expressing that man AND machine feeling.

For me it's the latency in the UI. Even if the difference is very small, it's perceptible in the "feel" of the UI. This is why I prefer LXDE to Gnome or KDE, although it's still not as good as Amiga.

AmigaOS wouldn't have been nearly as good without Intuition — hats off to RJ!

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@DC_Edge

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Linux is almost mainstream, and thus, is really boring.

Linux is mainstream on the server (and the phone), but still an "alternate" on the desktop. Personally, I like it that way!

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@saimon69

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If instead is a matter of purism (mean if is not EXEC is not an amiga-like os, is taaaaainted, impure, a monster etc.) then feel free to not use it.

lets remember os4 exec *is* already foreign (who knows, what it is)..-

@eliyahu

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how much work -- beyond a recompile -- will be required of AROS application developers to support the new underpinnings?

its not clear what do you mean. we have to do with two processes at the same time.

aros v0 -> aros v1 = api breakage, apps need recompile.
aros v1 -> arix = api remains the same (apps remain safely usable on both, no recompile needed)

thus the aros application library will have to be recompiled as soon as v1 is stable anyway, while it wouldnt need to be recompiled against arix. thats how i imagine it, correctme if im wrong.

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wawa wrote: lets remember os4 exec *is* already foreign (who knows, what it is)..-

o_O

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if i put a "general motor" motor in my peugeot car, it's a general motor based car, because the heart is a general motor one.

if i think general motor motors are bad, who ever made the tires, the glass, and every component, it's a general motor machine.

i'm sorry i'm not instructed/qualified enough to talk about linux, wether it's about a core, or a linux distro.

i'm just phd in information infrastructure, and you know, guys like you who think they are better than you just because they play with words....are the same guy who call me because they are unable to put a cisco switch up with a proper config, doesn't even know how to put an IP in an ILO card, and doesn't even know how to setup the linux servers they all defend at all. Last time a linux tech guy bored me, that was because "he was better on linux than me", and managed to broke the whole routing table "because he knows linux, but have a limited view of what is a complete infrastructure".

You should not "attack" personnaly someone you don't know about, when the subjet is about something else than personnal griefs, just playing with words.

now excuse me, I have more interessant things to do than playing with words.

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@DC_Edge

Good for you that you know _something_, but the fact of the matter is that bringing cryptic command line syntaxes into a discussion of which kernel to choose is RATHER SILLY. GNU runs on AmigaOS also, it's called Geek Gadgets.

Does that make Exec bad?

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@DC_Edge

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if i put a "general motor" motor in my peugeot car, it's a general motor based car, because the heart is a general motor one.

In the car world that would still be called a peugeot.

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fishy_fis wrote: @Arko Funny enough, and unless Im mistaken you cant do this with p96 under UAE, ... .

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Brian King of Cloanto has done an excellent job with the his latest
release of Win 32 UAE with Picasso 96 support. This latest version has a
UAE Picasso 96 driver supporting 640X400 8bit, 640X480 8bit, 640x480 16bit,
800X600 8bit and 800X600 16bit workbench screens. Also support of 32 bit
addressing has also been included which allows me to have virtual Amiga
with an 020, graphics card, 2megs of chip ram and 16 megs of fast ram.
This version of uae running on a P100 and utilizing the Picasso 96 drivers
is very fast compared to a Amiga 1200 if you press scroll lock to disable
the native chipset update and set the CPU emulation setting to 1 instead
of the default 4.

Below are links to the captured output of the Showconfig utility included
with AmigaOS 3.1 in Amiga and PC ASCII formats and a screen shot of my
Workbench running in 800X600 16bit on my Uae running on my p100.
http://www.geocities/SiliconValley/Park/7481/p96uaeconfig_ami.txt
http://www.geocities/SiliconValley/Park/7481/p96uaeconfig_pc.txt
http://www.geocities/SiliconValley/Park/7481/uaepicasso96_800x600.jpg

This version of UAE is very impressive and if they could support Amiga
CD-roms with label changes that would be even better.
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Source :
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.amiga.advocacy/c3YcU1pMwkk


Here is a P96 on UAE Installation Guide:
http://classicwb.abime.net/classicweb/instructionsp96.htm

And UAE could call x86 native coded software:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=10235

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I'm not a friend of Amithlon or UAE because they where not aimed for an AOS improvement but UAE can do a lot of things Amithlon could.

There is no nead to cry for Amithlon.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
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@DC_Edge

OS4 uses a brand new written from scratch kernel not based on the original Exec so by your twisted logic that makes OS4 not Amiga OS.

As Olegil said, the GNU operating system runs on many different kernels not just Linux. You don't like GNU but keep confusing it with the Linux kernel for some reason.

@Arko

Yeah, as I said p96 is possible under UAE, but it doesn't give the direct hardware access in the same way Amithlon does.

Not suggesting that it makes it bad because of it, they're just different.
Really though, the only reason I even bring these things up (and my responses to hypex) is to point out that they're different beasts and as such neither makes the other redundant.

@thread

Let's please use respect and tolerance, everyone has their own opinions. No trolling or personal attacks, as usual. Plus having a thicker-than-normal skin is always of use when putting forth an idea or point of view, I believe.

(As an aside with the 'engine-in-car reference', in the 1960's, a standard Porsche 914 had a 4-cylinder Volkswagen engine. It certainly was never referred to as a Bug, nor did it have the pricing structure of a 'People's Automobile.')

Carry on, but, again, please... think before you hit 'submit' and again before you hit A/R, not everyone has English as their Mother Tongue. I'll ask everyone to please play nicely.

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@Yo

You mean this one:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vw-porsche914-typenbezeichnung.JPG

The 914 may have been marketed as a Porsche in some parts of the world, but it was clearly marked as a VW in it's papers.

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