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Trewq wrote: @Hillbillylitre Yes you dolt I've seen that But you can't seem to remember your own comment

Ahh, then you should have replied to that post you moron.

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@Hillbillylitre

Which I did, its just you being the dolt here again by assuming the text before the quote were related.
Which you could see it wasn't by reading the text below the quote.

Very hard mistake to make.

Me a moron ? says the guy who calls his PC an Amiga which in his own words
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so what you think is an Amiga is just a very crappy PC

Good one


There's a reason why people post stuff like this about you

You're making it all too easy to be honest.

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@Trewq

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Trewq wrote: @Hillbillylitre Which I did, its just you being the dolt here again by assuming the text before the quote were related. Which you could see it wasn't by reading the text below the quote.

You can put several quotes in the same post if you don't want to make two posts, you knew that?
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Very hard mistake to make. Me a moron ? says the guy who calls his PC an Amiga which in his own words Quote: so what you think is an Amiga is just a very crappy PC Good one

Do you think a standard PC motherboard where the x86 CPU is switched with a PPC CPU is an Amiga?
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There's a reason why people post stuff like this about you You're making it all too easy to be honest.

Is it perhaps because I don't take myself very seriously, unlike you. Didn't think it was that hard to see? but then again you need a brain for everything.

Anyways, why do I answer you when I don't like you...

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@Hillbillylitre

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Hillbillylitre wrote: @cdimauro I won't count AmigaOS4 for amiga software, though. because it turns off the primary 68K CPU.

If you define the "Amiga software" as the "software that runs on an Amiga", you *might* be right.

However AmigaOS4 is the legitimate successor of the Amiga o.s., so even OS4 software has to be considered "Amiga software".

So, it's an hard stuff to take a clear position about that.
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(edit: Something strange is happening with the posts here on Amigaworld.net now?)

It was a layout problem, due to a known bug of the forum software.

@tangoone

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tangoone wrote: @cdimauro what are our chances of ever getting a amiga clone with updated tech. ? something like Raspberry pi.

AROS was already ported to the Raspberry Pi, so I think that your request is satisfied.

@cdimauro

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cdimauro wrote: @Hillbillylitre Quote: Hillbillylitre wrote: @cdimauro I won't count AmigaOS4 for amiga software, though. because it turns off the primary 68K CPU. If you define the "Amiga software" as the "software that runs on an Amiga", you *might* be right. However AmigaOS4 is the legitimate successor of the Amiga o.s., so even OS4 software has to be considered "Amiga software". So, it's an hard stuff to take a clear position about that.

Yeah thats true, perhaps exclusive Amiga software is the only Amiga software. Like for example all the Amiga demos.

And ports may not be Amiga software, like doom and quake and all that.

I would actually say as long as you have to emulate the chipset and the 68k CPU its not Amiga compatible.
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Quote: (edit: Something strange is happening with the posts here on Amigaworld.net now?) It was a layout problem, due to a known bug of the forum software.

Okay. Do you know what triggered it then?

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@Trewq

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Trewq wrote: @cdimauro How is replacing the zorro board in an A3000/A4000 with a PCI board a hack ?

Because the PCI wasn't part of the Amiga platform. The standard for the Amiga was Zorro (or the internal expansion cards), not PCI. The Amiga o.s. supports Zorro/Autoconfig and not PCI/PnP.
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Is replacing the harddrive with a higher capacity one also a hack ?

This example isn't right. Taking the same domain, it's like replacing a SCSI hard drive with the an IDE/ATA one: the mechanic is the same, but the interface & protocol are totally different. You need a special IDE -> SCSI adapter which emulates the SCSI interface for the IDE hd, in order to use the latter in a SCSI system. That's an hack.
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You don't need to place the motherboard in a 'horrible' tower case if you want to install one of those.

How do you connect one of them to an Amiga 2000, 3000, or 4000? They are equipped only with Zorro (II and/or III) slots, and not PCI.
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Only the 1200 has to do that, but then again so would you if want to add expansions anyway, such as a zorro board or a accelerator which needs airflow.

An Amiga 1200 expansion board can be used to directly connect an RTG chip, without using a PCI slot, because it acts in a similar way to a Zorro board.
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Quote: If they are seen by the system (and integrated into) as any other Zorro RTG cards, I've nothing to say. I don't get it, so why is this PCI card not a hack or a "normal" card ?

A PCI card is an hack for the reason that I've exposed before.

But if you provide a proper adapter, you can see PCI peripherals as Zorro ones, so that the Amiga o.s. can see and use them transparently.

It's still an hack (which is also slower, if you need to translate from the PCI to the Zorro protocol), but at least it's compatible with the existing ecosystem.

@Hillbillylitre
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You can put several quotes in the same post if you don't want to make two posts, you knew that?

I admit that I could have done that.

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Do you think a standard PC motherboard where the x86 CPU is switched with a PPC CPU is an Amiga?

Can't defend yourself ?
Yes, AmigaOne's are officially Amiga hardware

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Is it perhaps because I don't take myself very seriously, unlike you. Didn't think it was that hard to see?

Well with your broken English...


Also, trying to call me a moron gives it away that you do take yourself seriously.

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but then again you need a brain for everything.

I have no idea what you're trying to tell here, again your English prevents you from being smart.
Is this suppose to be an insult ? because this is very out of place

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Anyways, why do I answer you when I don't like you...

Well we could have gone along if you respected others preferences, I can totally get along with someone who thinks that AmigaOne's aren't Amiga's and that he doesn't see any point in AmigaOS 4 as long he respects me for calling them Amiga's and enjoying them, which you don't.

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@Hillbillylitre

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Quote: Hillbillylitre wrote: @cdimauro If you define the "Amiga software" as the "software that runs on an Amiga", you *might* be right. However AmigaOS4 is the legitimate successor of the Amiga o.s., so even OS4 software has to be considered "Amiga software". So, it's an hard stuff to take a clear position about that. Yeah thats true, perhaps exclusive Amiga software is the only Amiga software. Like for example all the Amiga demos.

That's Amiga software for sure and by definition.
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And ports may not be Amiga software, like doom and quake and all that.

If they run on an Amiga, it's Amiga software.

Otherwise we have to talk of Amiga software = software that was (at least first) developed for the Amiga.
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Quote: It was a layout problem, due to a known bug of the forum software. Okay. Do you know what triggered it then?

Yes, that's a simple and unfortunately common bug.

If a quote tag is immediately appended to an URL, the system recognizes the whole as an URL, and doesn't count (and close) the quote.

Basically the forum software rigidly and simply translates all forum tags in the corresponding HTML tags, without validating them or at least properly closing them.

It's very fast, but also very easy to mess the generated HTML page.

@Trewq

There is a difference between "seriously" and "very seriously". Your binary way of thinking prevents you from being smart.

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@cdimauro

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Because the PCI wasn't part of the Amiga platform. The standard for the Amiga was Zorro (or the internal expansion cards), not PCI. The Amiga o.s. supports Zorro/Autoconfig and not PCI/PnP.

What is wrong with support of another bus? Eg. even Commodore introduced "alien" PCMCIA with its A600/A1200 computers.

@cdimauro

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Yes, that's a simple and unfortunately common bug. If a quote tag is immediately appended to an URL, the system recognizes the whole as an URL, and doesn't count (and close) the quote. Basically the forum software rigidly and simply translates all forum tags in the corresponding HTML tags, without validating them or at least properly closing them. It's very fast, but also very easy to mess the generated HTML page.

Aha. That explains it.

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@cdimauro

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cdimauro wrote: @tangoone Quote: tangoone wrote: @cdimauro what are our chances of ever getting a amiga clone with updated tech. ? something like Raspberry pi. AROS was already ported to the Raspberry Pi, so I think that your request is satisfied.

Have u tried to download the PI version. ? (it is more like a bad joke!)

The Raspberry Pi Version is only available for registered users. To get registered you need to qualify yourself with one of the following options:
1. Buy something from ares-shop.de or prove that you bought a AresOne from somewhere else
2. USE our sd-card service on ebay
3. Donate at east 10 US € to any AROS related bounty on www.power2people.org or prove that you did already.
4. Or buy a ARES ArmedOne

:)

@cdimauro

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Because the PCI wasn't part of the Amiga platform. The standard for the Amiga was Zorro (or the internal expansion cards), not PCI. The Amiga o.s. supports Zorro/Autoconfig and not PCI/PnP.

Not originally, but I don't think there was a platform in the 90's such as PC or Mac that had PCI as part as the original platform.
As those platforms eventually ruled out their original interfaces to expand in favor of PCI, wouldn't that be progression ?

I get that seeing PCI as progression for Amiga is a bit harder since it is a third party solution that came late

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How do you connect one of them to an Amiga 2000, 3000, or 4000? They are equipped only with Zorro (II and/or III) slots, and not PCI.

I don't think you can connect one of those to a 2000 due to the buster (?) chip being too old.
On the desktop versions of the 3000 and 4000 the zorro boards are on a daughter board or riser board how its called, the PCI board replaces the original zorro riser board in those machines, the PCI board only does away the ISA slots on in favor for the PCI slots so Zorro is still there.

But the mediator boards require some sort of daughter board to be inserted in the riser to work fully, so I'm not sure if the zorro slots are still as accessible as the original Commodore/Escom riser.

It took some time to find one, but here's a PCI riser card which doens't have the A4000 to be towered
http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=1376

I'm surprised to see that there were so few Mediators made for the desktop cases !

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@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @cdimauro Quote: Because the PCI wasn't part of the Amiga platform. The standard for the Amiga was Zorro (or the internal expansion cards), not PCI. The Amiga o.s. supports Zorro/Autoconfig and not PCI/PnP. What is wrong with support of another bus? Eg. even Commodore introduced "alien" PCMCIA with its A600/A1200 computers.

They are supported by the o.s.! That's the point.

But the PCI protocol is different from the Autoconfig used by the Zorro cards.

IF there's some adapter which translates them and let the o.s use such peripheral transparently, then there's no problem and I've no objection.

@tangoone

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tangoone wrote: @cdimauro Quote: cdimauro wrote: @tangoone AROS was already ported to the Raspberry Pi, so I think that your request is satisfied. Have u tried to download the PI version. ? (it is more like a bad joke!) The Raspberry Pi Version is only available for registered users. To get registered you need to qualify yourself with one of the following options: 1. Buy something from ares-shop.de or prove that you bought a AresOne from somewhere else 2. USE our sd-card service on ebay 3. Donate at east 10 US € to any AROS related bounty on www.power2people.org or prove that you did already. 4. Or buy a ARES ArmedOne :)

I never used it: I don't support RISCs. I prefer CISCs due to my heritage.

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@cdimauro

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They are supported by the o.s.! That's the point.

Maybe it is too late for me, I still don´t get it. PCI (or PCIe) is also supported in AmigaOS (like Zorro).

@Trewq: see my reply #155 to pavlor.

@Hillbillylitre

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There is a difference between "seriously" and "very seriously". Your binary way of thinking prevents you from being smart.

umm.. is that a comeback ?

Well I'd rather have you say that to me than someone with with full sense

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@Trewq

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Not originally, but I don't think there was a platform in the 90's such as PC or Mac that had PCI as part as the original platform.

PCI is standard introduced by Intel...