amiga-news.de is running a poll to see what people think about PPC emulation in WinUAE. Several hundred Germans have already voted, now it's time for the rest of the world to chime in: Would you buy OS4 to run it on WinUAE? Do you think this development is going to hurt AmigaOS?

http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2014-08-00040-EN.html

Last edited by cgutjahr on 21-Aug-2014 at 12:03 AM.

@cgutjahr

Respondents in polls numbering in the hundreds is exceedingly rare these days.
How confident are you of these being unique votes? I don't know your CMS.

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@cgutjahr

Voted

Of course I will buy the 'Classic' edition of AmigaOS 4.1!!

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I won't buy AOS4, because I'm only interested in AGA+68030, and I'm not particularly fond of AOS anyway. I also don't use emulation.

@number6

Are you surprised that there would be this much interest in this topic?

Of all the mainstream platforms Amigans use today Windows would account for the largest percentage.
Given that WinUAE is free and has been a long running successful development a large percentage of Amigans would have tried it at some point.
Cloanto is not a charity and has had an ongoing commercial product centred around WinUAE.
Whether it is a good thing or a bad thing, AmigaOS 4 is the one most derived from OS 3.x
AmigaOS 4 is well coveted by the community and if the forums are anything to go by it is the one least actualised due to expensive hardware.
Morphos' business model proves that Amigans are interested in NG OS's if they can obtain hardware in a cost effective manner.

So now all that's standing in the way for most Amigans to be able to run the heir apparent to Amiga OS 3.x is improvements in the emulation speed and the cost of AmigaOS 4.1 for Classic. And perhaps they'll finally be able to have their Amiga laptop. Why wouldn't they be enthusiastic to cast their vote on an online poll?

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I have never bought a new pc/laptop to use windows.

I have OS4.0 and OS4.1 for classic, which i have never used.

If they can assure me that the speed of the ppc emulation is
high enough then maybe i would consider buying one.

The best thing would be to buy amigaforever inclusive the
ppc emulation and to buy an OS4.1 classic version with it,
if you don't already have one.

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@number6

Quote:

Respondents in polls numbering in the hundreds is exceedingly rare these days.

Not really, at least not for topics like this one. 150 registered members of the biggest German forum recentl y took part in a survey about continuing IBrowse support for said forum. 300 unregistered users for a poll about OS4 isn't that surprising, IMHO.

Quote:

How confident are you of these being unique votes? I don't know your CMS

The script tries to prevent cheating - but any voting script that allows anonymous voting can be tricked easily of course.

But it's relatively easy to detect cheating if you keep an eye on the numbers: from the very beginning, the first three options always had about 70% of the votes, with no. 2 and 3 both being around the 10-12 percent mark. Same goes for the other answers - their share of the results is stable. That makes cheating rather unlikely, IMHO. It's not exactly a fool-proof scientific approach, but I'd trust the trend you see here.

The only sudden change so far happened after I announced the survey on English forums: The fourth answer ("I think this is going to hurt OS4") 'jumped' from 5% to 6% in a rather short time frame - that was probably ssolie testing the ten anon proxy servers he knows about ;)

I've already ordered my copy of OS4.1 Classic, even before I saw the first screenshots of that even working.

For myself, I've been wishing for an AmigaOS 4 laptop for ages. This will give me more opportunity to use Amiga than a tower that keeps me hidden away in a special computer room. While I continue to wish for a performance PPC OS4 laptop, I hope that WinUAE PPC will get me much more back in the game. I'm very optimistic and very excited about this!

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If speed would be good and the development of classic version of OS4 is in sync i would run it on my laptop running windows and os4. Then i wouldnt need my x1000 anymore and my world would be a better place :) Having one machine for everything and easy to bring with me :)

I cant see it being anything but good. Pretty much anyone can have access to running OS4.x this way, whereas beforehand there was a large obstacle in the way (price of hardware).

Chances are there'll be some piracy, which is unfortunate, but those people would have never bought it in the 1st place. All emulated OS4.x will bring is new users, some who will have purchased it. May even inspire some to buy OS4.x hardware after theyve had a taste (given the inherritant restrictions of classic hardware vs an NG OS4 machine (not necessarily speed, but things like RAM, video cards, etc.).

No it' notgoing to hurt and I am expecting further steps e.g. AOS4PPC emulation.

Voted I would buy it

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@cgutjahr
I didn't vote, because although I think PPC support in WinUAE is a very interesting development, I don't want to run OS4 on it. I would run classic WarpOS and PowerUP software, and MorphOS though.

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Potentially good for OS4, potentially bad for the continued new development of new hardware.

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@yoodoo2

I think real hardware is going to give a better experience, another plus you don't need to boot into Windows, I see this as addition to hardware solution.

Selling low end computers like Sam440 might be hard to do.

Sam460 might be good platform even after this, considering you have direct access to modern graphic cards. Normal emulator have slow graphics.

And also having a Real CPU might make experience less sluggish, JIT has tendency to not give a consistent speed, at least if you want to do some thing that needs a bit of CPU power.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

low cost HW still makes sense - if it's really LOW cost.

The biggest advantage of emulated OS4/MOS will come to those people who always wished to try out the OS, but were not willing to buy in on expensive HW. They will most likely pirate, I think. But it will not matter much since they were not going to be paying customers anyway.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

JITs inconsistancy in speed tends only to apply to weaker hardware. Amithlon and WinUAE's 68k on anything resembling a modern pc is an example of this where speed is consistantly on par or greater than the majority of ppc hardware running native ppc code. Additionally gfx performance using something like quartex is well beyond that of any ppc amiga-oid system.

Having said this though, if WinUAE only emulates existing OS4.x hardware that is supported by OS4 for classic rather than whats available to 68k (uaegfx+3d wrapper to hosts 3d) then I agree.

@cgutjahr

Fair enough.

And I notice over 50 comments on your site. If you feel anyone is posting a perspective not being discussed here or on Amiga.org, please toss the english version in this thread.

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There is bug in this poll.

There is no option:

"On my i7 Winuae PPC emulation works without JIT one hundred times slower than my G4. This crap is useless."

@mailman2

And yet that PC will be 1000 Times more useful. ;)

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@terminills

it would be nice if WinUAE got x64 JIT support. Would help with speed.

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