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bison 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 23-Mar-2015 3:46:24
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AROS is your plan B or C (D is linux)

I have nothing against Linux (I use it), but as far as AmigaOS contingency plans, I think I would put DragonFly BSD ahead of it. It is, after all, more Amiga-like.

Update:

Well, I see we made it to 60...

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@bison

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AROS is your plan B or C (D is linux)

I have nothing against Linux (I use it), but as far as AmigaOS contingency plans, I think I would put DragonFly BSD ahead of it. It is, after all, more Amiga-like.

Update:

Well, I see we made it to 60...


Why do you believe that another poorly supported, obscure OS, such as DragonFly BSD should be a successor to our already poorly supported and obscure OS? This line of reasoning is already a proven failure. Just ask Aeon and Hyperion. DragonFly BSD is a fork of BSD which has even less developer support than AROS and it offers even less that what one could have with a non-forked OS. Dragonfly hasn't even supported nVidia GPUs since pre-2006!

Even AtheOS would be a much better choice than DragonFly and it was designed to be an AmigaOS replacement from the the beginning, not a fork of one of the various *nixs out there.

See AtheOS

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@ferrels

Like to remark that my idea of Plan D was specifically taylored to BigD AmigaOne, not in general, in the idea to continue to use the machine if Aos4 was discontinued...

[hpwever seems to remember the disregard of BigD for linux so never mind]

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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Yeah, I wish he'd adopt DragonFly and leave us alone! LOL!

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kolla 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@bison

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AROS is your plan B or C (D is linux)

I have nothing against Linux (I use it), but as far as AmigaOS contingency plans, I think I would put DragonFly BSD ahead of it. It is, after all, more Amiga-like.



Have you ever used DragonFly BSD, since you find it "more amiga like"?

Though it is true that certain concepts in DragonFly BSD kernel was inspired by AmigaOS, it's not really something you notice as a user.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@BigD

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Until the end of the month I really don't see why so called 'Amiga fans' should be bad mouthing AmigaOS

So you think you can somehow disregard us by calling us "so called Amiga fans". Well for starters OS4 isn't AMIGA and has never been. It has been HyperionOS with a licensed permit to call it AmigaOS, So AROS, MorphOS users not being AMIGA fans is just in your imagination. Many of us probably even more of an AMIGA fan than you ever will be.

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and ranting about how AROS will hopefully steal all its old code base and developers! That is what sounds like wishful thinking Manu!


And the day AROS steals any code from OS4 that will be the day, on the other hand I'm quite sure it happened the other way around and lots of times.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@Manu

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Well for starters OS4 isn't AMIGA and has never been


Maybe i miss somethings in the latest 10 years

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@BigD

As well as the police watching you, now you are being watched online. Link.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@samo79

Yes you really did.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 23-Mar-2015 9:16:11
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@BigD

I'm just going to respond to a few of your points. If you want to stop the off-topic conversation, you need to stop making remarks for us to respond to!

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The way I see it, OS4.x offers the only route to move beyond Workbench 3.1 while retaining some compatibility with Petunia and RuninUAE. AROS is obsessed with a Workbench 3.1 for the modern era and that simply isn't good enough any more....


That's an old argument that has been done many times before. AROS is much more than an OS3.1 clone as has been said over and over again. You're the one who's brought this up so don't be surprised if it becomes a discussion. I'll just say this - what happens in the future is undecided but if it's anything like the past, neither OS4 nor AROS will have a large technological lead over the other.

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Show me a working board from a trusted developer and I'll check it out.


I'm not sure what you're asking for - FPGA machines/products or AROS running on one? I can take a photo of a working FPGA Arcade if you like!

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Brilliant have a blast and develop AROS into whatever you want it to be. Just don't expect it to appeal to any AmigaOS user!


Everyone involved in AROS was or still is an AmigaOS user!

Chris

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 23-Mar-2015 10:45:11
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@Manu

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Manu wrote:
@BigD

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Until the end of the month I really don't see why so called 'Amiga fans' should be bad mouthing AmigaOS

So you think you can somehow disregard us by calling us "so called Amiga fans". Well for starters OS4 isn't AMIGA and has never been. It has been HyperionOS with a licensed permit to call it AmigaOS, So AROS, MorphOS users not being AMIGA fans is just in your imagination. Many of us probably even more of an AMIGA fan than you ever will be.

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and ranting about how AROS will hopefully steal all its old code base and developers! That is what sounds like wishful thinking Manu!


And the day AROS steals any code from OS4 that will be the day, on the other hand I'm quite sure it happened the other way around and lots of times.


No, it was always an official Amiga operating system.
Working on the OS was contracted out by AmigaInc to Hyperion.
What happened next in the courts doesn't change that.

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OlafS25 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 23-Mar-2015 10:56:23
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@TiredofLife

I have already written the same on another thread

Today 99,9999999 % of people do not care at all. Even if you take the remaining community most Amiga (=68k) fans do not see PPC+AmigaOS as "Amiga", if it is "official" by "AmigaInc." or not. AROS and MorphOS fans are not interested either. Only AmigaOS fans seem to hold it up like it is the best feature of it.

How about persuading by real facts? Prove that you can do something better on your system than other users using competing systems. About facts you can discuss (still disagree). That is again just "emotions".

That is a little like "colour is more pretty than the other". How can you discuss about that?

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TiredofLife 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 23-Mar-2015 10:58:57
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@Clebin
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TiredofLife wrote:
@clebin

Quote:

clebin wrote:
@wawa

That was my point. My rushed edit was to head off someone saying "but OS4 can do that" but I still got that response anyway...

Chris


From who?


Still waiting for a response.
I'm wondering if that was directed at me.
If so, why was I partially quoted?

I said AOS4 and MorphOS.
Are you trying to marginalise MorphOS or just trying to have a dig at AOS4?

Many on this thread seem to think if Hyperion go down, it's a straight choice between leaving the scene or AROS.
MorphOS doesn't get a mention.
This despite that it may gave things that appeal to AOS4 users.
PPC hardware for example which seems to be a must for some.

Thanks to the cooperation of some from the blue and red camps, hostility seems to be at an all time low, which is great to see.
In the meantime however, some in the AROS camp now seems to want open a new wave of hostility.
I seriously hope this is just a flash in the pan and things will soon calm down again.

We are all here for the same reason, which is we are Amiga fans.
None of us are children anymore, so why the constant bickering between the camps.
Barring intervention from a multi billion pound company taking over one of the camps OS of choice, there is not going to any major advantage of one camp over the other.

In fact it has been demonstrated enough times that any advantage to be gained, comes from cooperation between the camps.




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TiredofLife 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 23-Mar-2015 11:03:11
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@OlafS25

Quote:

OlafS25 wrote:
@TiredofLife

I have already written the same on another thread

Today 99,9999999 % of people do not care at all. Even if you take the remaining community most Amiga (=68k) fans do not see PPC+AmigaOS as "Amiga", if it is "official" by "AmigaInc." or not. AROS and MorphOS fans are not interested either. Only AmigaOS fans seem to hold it up like it is the best feature of it.

How about persuading by real facts? Prove that you can do something better on your system than other users using competing systems. About facts you can discuss (still disagree). That is again just "emotions".

That is a little like "colour is more pretty than the other". How can you discuss about that?


Mostly agree with you.
Not about the AmigaOS name though.
Some AOS4 fans not all, do seem to hold the name up as being the only worthwhile feature.
Some AROS and MOS not all fans, do care as can be seen by constant sniping using phrases like "name badge follower" and referring to it as HyperionOS.

All very childish.

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OlafS25 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 23-Mar-2015 11:26:30
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@TiredofLife

I agree even though some of the AmigaOS really sound like they were such follower. Every critic at Hyperion/AmigaOS/Frieden brothers and so on often results in bashing, it sometimes seems like many AmigaOS fans try to make a wall around those being critisisized. And by that people start to generalize all (even if that is certainly not true). Less "emotions" and more "facts" would help discussions.

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megol 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@bison

DragonFly BSD isn't Amiga like, I don't see where the myth it is originates.
It was created/forked from the FreeBSD 4.* series as Matthew Dillon (a long time FreeBSD contributor) didn't agree with the direction of multiprocessor development in the 5.* series. He advocated a more radical solution that (he argued) would provide better scalability, this included a token-based mutual exclusion system and a new message passing system in the kernel.

That's it. It doesn't resemble Amiga Os in any way or form, it is a BSD lineage system with some core differences that aren't really Amiga inspired - unless you think message passing is an AOS exclusive thing?

Also a quick note: while AtheOS was created as an Amiga OS inspired system it was quickly converted to a BeOS inspired one. The released version(s) have nothing Amiga-like inside.

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Manu 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@TiredofLife

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In the meantime however, some in the AROS camp now seems to want open a new wave of hostility.
I seriously hope this is just a flash in the pan and things will soon calm down again.


Don't try to look so bothered you're quite a good example yourself of adding to the new wave of hostility against AROS.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@Manu

we should let it by that

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@TiredofLife

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Still waiting for a response.
I'm wondering if that was directed at me.
If so, why was I partially quoted?

I said AOS4 and MorphOS.
Are you trying to marginalise MorphOS or just trying to have a dig at AOS4?


Neither. I didn't reply because I'd already written a post; edited my post; explained the point I edited; explained my edit; and was being asked to explain my explanation of my edit. I apologise but jeez... even I have better things to do!

Anyway, yes, it was a reference to your post but I wasn't having a go at you. I didn't intentionally omit MorphOS either, it just wasn't a major part of the discussion at the time.

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Many on this thread seem to think if Hyperion go down, it's a straight choice between leaving the scene or AROS.
MorphOS doesn't get a mention.


That's just the way conversation has gone. You reply to people's posts as they come up. I totally agree, MorphOS is a great OS - the most advanced Amiga-like OS for sure. Never had a problem with MOS at all. Hope that clears things up.

Chris

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@megol

Matt Dillon had a long story with Amiga before jumping fully to BSD, and has many timed let the world know that certain aspects in the DragonFly BSD kernel is indeed inspired from Amiga, such as yes - the internal message passing, but also things like variable dependant symlinks (akin to assigns in AmigaDOS/TRIPOS/VMS).

Just a few links...
http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=766375
http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/kernel/2003-08/msg00033.html

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