@jacadcaps

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I vote for pancakes!

Best choice so far!

@jPV

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BTW. if you remove Trance, you still can run classic Amiga's PPC (PUP/WOS) software ;)

Not that there's anything particularly interesting for PPC Amiga, nowadays when the entire software market has moved on to phones, X86 PCs and game consoles... well, that actually started to happen twenty years ago and are many generations ahead on every point now.


But not everything works on PPC socalled NG Amigas, all those very few Amiga PPC demos which is perhaps the only unique software for PPC Amigas, this demo doesn't work on imginary Amigas but it works fine here though on my real Amiga...

http://ada.untergrund.net/?p=demo&i=169

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@Hillbillylitre

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Hillbillylitre wrote: @jPV Quote: BTW. if you remove Trance, you still can run classic Amiga's PPC (PUP/WOS) software ;) Not that there's anything particularly interesting for PPC Amiga, nowadays when the entire software market has moved on to phones, X86 PCs and game consoles... well, that actually started to happen twenty years ago and are many generations ahead on every point now.

This wasn't the point of the original question, but yeah I agree, and that's why we are lucky to have these next generation amigas like MorphOS and OS4. It really would be a bad situation to have stuck on classic PPC, or even 68k.

With next generation machines we're pretty close to mainstream with almost up-to-date browser engines, movie players etc. Actually amiga hasn't been this close to the mainstream since 80s.

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With next generation machines we're pretty close to mainstream with almost up-to-date browser engines, movie players etc. Actually amiga hasn't been this close to the mainstream since 80s.

Well yes close to mainstream... except OS, hardware, support and price. TVs, satellite tuners, DVD/blu-ray players, GPS, game consoles, phones and anything that has or can be connected to a screen nowadays has multimedia players and browsers. My new phone didn't support a certain file format so it was just to install VLC player and everything plays fine.

I'm no expert but if something should be done I think it should be done right.

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@Hillbillylitre

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Hillbillylitre wrote: Quote: With next generation machines we're pretty close to mainstream with almost up-to-date browser engines, movie players etc. Actually amiga hasn't been this close to the mainstream since 80s. Well yes close to mainstream... except OS, hardware, support and price. TVs, satellite tuners, DVD/blu-ray players, GPS, game consoles, phones and anything that has or can be connected to a screen nowadays has multimedia players and browsers. My new phone didn't support a certain file format so it was just to install VLC player and everything plays fine. I'm no expert but if something should be done I think it should be done right.

Well.. it's hard to stand out nowadays technically, as you said everything does everything now. But does it have to be a problem? Isn't it good that there's option for everyone. We want to use Amiga system with our loved OS structure etc, and we can! We should take everything out of that because we can too.

It's awesome to be close to mainstream, and so what if all other devices do that too? If phone can install VLC, so can amiga compatible OS install MPlayer or VLC too, isn't that marvellous! It's same for all systems. Windows isn't that much different from toasters either. I think it's unrealistic to expect _any_ system to suddenly became that much better than others, that it would dominate alone. Even Microsoft can't do that anymore with its resources. World has changed more versatile and we can't change it.

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And by the way how is 1080p running on AOS4, can you use HW acceleration trough the GFX card like on modern OSes?

We can do the YUV420 / YUV422 to RGB32 bit conversion using the GPU. The video decoding process is something the CPU has to do, thanks to Hans for driver support; I have spent time on implementing that into Mplayer video output.

I have enabled DRI in the latest video output routines; this enabled video decoder routines to render directly into the double / triple buffer of video output, skipping moving the data from decoder to the video output using slices. (like X-Video does for Linux.)

Video scaling can be done by the GPU.

Video decoding can't not yet be done by the GPU, someone has to investigate AVAPI, UVD/VAPAU.

We have asked feanor to AltiVec optimize the video decoders in FFMPEG. The result from that has not been seen yet.

So I guess the answer to you questions, is that something can be done on the GPU, like scaling the video, converting the yuv picture data. Everything else is CPU driven thing for now.

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Its nice to see what can be done on old limited hardware like good old Commodore Amiga computers, but to see new hardware not able to get utilized because of a old OS is not exactly very nice.

To run a Amiga like OS on dumpsterdived single cored 32bit PPC CPU machines can be ok, but to put in a new graphics card or CPU the operating system can not use more than a few percentages of is just ridiculous or annoying to watch.

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@Hillbillylitre

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Its nice to see what can be done on old limited hardware like good old Commodore Amiga computers, but to see new hardware not able to get utilized because of a old OS is not exactly very nice.

I think in the first case it's about how you can make the best of what you have. In the other case it's about what can be done with limitation of the OS to improve on it.

So it sort of the same challenge from different angle. (HW angle or the SW angle)

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To run a Amiga like OS on dumpsterdived single cored 32bit PPC CPU machines can be ok, but to put in a new graphics card or CPU the operating system can not use more than a few percentages of is just ridiculous or annoying to watch.

There is not a question of if the egg or the chicken comes first; you can't write software if there is no hardware.

For the most part its not the OS that is too old, and API's are outdated. The problem is there is big holes that needs to filled with something. I guess.

If you look for hardware at dumpster, you need to find hardware that is already old when you get it, by the time your finishing writing drivers for the dumpster dived hardware, the hardware standards is no longer in use, and item has become rear. You have to go into rear antique shops and auction to find hardware you need, paying many times its original value of the hardware when the hardware was new and common. Nostalgia can be expensive hobby. Besides, you might end up with hardware that needs repair, or is out preformed by newer standards.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2939440/Surfer-duped-eBay-scam-selling-board-help-buy-300-laptop-sent-photograph-computer.html

Something you often see on roads, are quick fixes, some company fills in a hole in the road, and year after the hole in the road is back, way does that happen, well the quality of martial used to fix problems was of low quality, maybe recycled old road martial, and so it did not last long.

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@Thread

Seriously, Amigaworld.net is down for a whole day and you want to argue over which flavour of Amiga-like OSes is the best

GET A LIFE! Either use an Amiga-like OS or don't. 10,000 people will likely die from the Nepalese Earthquake. Let's discuss whether the destruction of a handful of thousand year old Buddhist idols really matters that much in the midst of such a precious waste of human life! But let's not waste another page arguing about what minority OS you consider better than some other minority OS.

If you like your choice of OS great!!!
If you don't like it how about trying a different flavour, or use Windoze like every average citizen who doesn't give it a second thought

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No voting!

It would be worth to repeat the same pool on Morpzone, ArosExec and Amiga.org and then average the results.

@ilbarbax

...what about A1k.org, Amigans.net, EAB?

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@ilbarbax

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ilbarbax wrote: No voting! It would be worth to repeat the same pool on Morpzone, ArosExec and Amiga.org and then average the results.

Why? We have users from all systems on this website...

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@A1200

really? The final battle? You think MorphOS or Aros user or the vast 1.X-3.X crowd will surrender if 4.X get most votes and all drop their choice in favor of 4.X then? I have slightly doubts

@hotrod

the Aros environment I use feels very amiga because I have optimized it to do so :)

@A1200
There is only one true OS and thats the AOS.3.X

@scarrabri

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There is only one true OS and thats the AOS.3.X

1.x forever!

@scarrabri

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There is only one true OS and thats the AOS.3.X

Yes, plus there is only one true pair of boxer shorts and that's yours.

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scarrabri wrote: There is only one true OS and thats the AOS.3.X

Workbench 3.X you mean?

http://www.amigaforever.com/kb/15-107

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Hmmmm... Seems like one of my four brothers have posted in this thread. We are very alike, even share the same IP sometimes.

@LimoU.Sin

Since you seem to want to by that leading statement, I reported you for being an account setup to avoid a ban.....

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