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QuikSanz 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 17-Dec-2016 20:51:12
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@Mr-Z.

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Simple because they did not have to write a driver and just could use good old scsi.device and it performs quite well with over 12 MB/sec. That's almost 4 times faster then on-board A600 IDE does for example.


Taking into account CPU, Buss and Memory speed 12MB/sec is not very fast at all.
My CS Mk3 Is faster.

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Signman 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 17-Dec-2016 21:35:10
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@Beans

Yes, it is assault but nowadays fat lip is the least of ones worries. Sjw crowd will try to ruin you.

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iggy 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 17-Dec-2016 23:31:18
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@Signman

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Yes, it is assault


Yes, it absolutely is, and in the back of any same man's mind, should be someone who knows not to push others to their limits, because civilization is a thin veneer.

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Sjw crowd will try to ruin you.


"Sjw crowd"? A shallow generalization. I live in a State that only outlawed slavery 59 years before I was born, my mother went to a segregated High School, and my State's governor kept the National Guard on the streets of our cities for 9 months after Martin Luther King was shot..

And you're self centered enough to think people are trying yo ruin YOU?

This isn't about PC or social justice, its a lot simpler.

Its about the decency and ethics I expect from you and everyone else I meet.
And I'm not compromising because you come up with a quaint label or a self centered reason to be an ass.

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Signman 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 18-Dec-2016 0:07:48
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@iggy

My god the ego displayed here, especially projecting your faults on to others.
Which forum personality am I talking to now?

How in the heck to you bring slavery and your mothers segregated high school into this?

Anyways, I hope this can get back on topic, if possible. MLK would want you to :)

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iggy 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 18-Dec-2016 0:14:50
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@Signman

Apparently you're (yet another) one of those marginally sane people I get to meet on Amiga forums.
Good thing we aren't meeting in person, since you're provided some level of insulation.
Who am I,? Not a better man than you, IF I read your posts and references correctly.

Oh, and egos, hey your the half wit that brought up the "Sjw" concept.

So, yes, by all means, lets get back to the topic, before you provide us any other insights into your mind.

...So, what DO you think of the Vampire2 and the Apollo team's efforts.

Edit - My apologies to all for pursuing the off topic content.
I just found the entire idea of "Social Justice Warriors" to be dismissive and trite.
BUT, we are here to discuss Amiga related topics, so, my bad.

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Mr-Z 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 18-Dec-2016 5:26:27
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@QuikSanz

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QuikSanz wrote:
@Mr-Z.

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Simple because they did not have to write a driver and just could use good old scsi.device and it performs quite well with over 12 MB/sec. That's almost 4 times faster then on-board A600 IDE does for example.


Taking into account CPU, Buss and Memory speed 12MB/sec is not very fast at all.
My CS Mk3 Is faster.


But your CS Mk3 has a SCSI Controller that offloads the CPU.

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QuikSanz 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 18-Dec-2016 5:46:18
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@Mr-Z

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Mr-Z wrote:
@QuikSanz
[quote]But your CS Mk3 has a SCSI Controller that offloads the CPU.


So no DMA on Vampire?

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ppcamiga1 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 18-Dec-2016 22:16:31
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There are many ppc haters in this comunity, they dont't like that their last hope is crap.

But the bitter truth about vampire is it is not worth money aked for it.

Of course vampire should be compared with uae and ppc.

And compared to ppc and uae vampire is underpowered and overpriced.

It is sad that even in 2000 uea on average pc execute 68k code faster than vampire today.

It is sad that 19 years old ppc cards for amiga are faster than vampire.

Cheaper 060?

Maybe in 1996 vampire if exist will be interesting.

But after 2000?

it is too slow.

With 060 performance vampire is too slow for not ancient www .

And without www, even as outdated as Webkit from 2014 on ppc, vampire is worth nothing.









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QuikSanz 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 18-Dec-2016 23:33:24
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@ppcamiga1,

My 2000 with 030/40 would love one thanks.

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Overflow 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 18-Dec-2016 23:59:45
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@ppcamiga1

Its ironic you point out the amount of PPC haters in the community, but in the same breath have nothing good to say about Vampire.
Maybe you should behave towards other community efforts, like you want the community to behave towards your favourite choice.

Personally I wouldnt mind PPC hardware, but for now I stick to Vampire and 68k. I might consider Tabor down the road.

Anyhow;

V500 production https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIRjrOUW3sI

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QuBe 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 19-Dec-2016 1:00:50
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@ppcamiga1

Amiga1 you make some interesting points, however, there are many Amiga "traditionalists" out there who would love to keep their base hardware running but accelerate it to enjoy the benefits such a speed boost would give. It's not all about the web...

I can't speak for every single Amigan, but I would assume that 99% of all Amigans would have an alternate computing platform for web browsing other than their classic machines, even though, you can still do some limited browsing on classics...

People take great enjoyment in "pushing" the hardware, showing off what it can do against all odds. It's great to see Paula play an MP3 at 14-bit quality, whilst typing up a document in Amiga Writer simultaneously with an 060 or Vampire card humming away deep in it's gut.

For many keeping it real is what it is about. Enjoying all aspects of the machine and the hardware. There are special moments that only you alone feel and enjoy. There is a certain delight when your machine comes to life by making it do something extra-ordinary.

It would be a shame to take the "oldskool" out of the Amiga.

It is part of the Amigas DNA now and it rests comfortably with it...

PPC has it's place of course, people have a choice to use whatever iteration is presently available whilsts looking forward to the newer iterations to come.

Amigans have a great choice of hardware and software to choose from. We should count ourselves fortunate that today the Amiga can still be a serious choice for some. It is a wonderful thing really.

Q!

"i am home"

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fishy_fis 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 19-Dec-2016 1:38:25
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From: Australia

@ppcamiga1

Is your life really so sad and miserable that you get joy from talking the same crap (and that's what it is) over and over again, on multiple forum sites?
Its all you've ever done. Ever.

Its also quite sad that despite spewing the same crap over and over you rarely seem to even have full grasp of the things you spew nonsense over.

Vampire is FPGA based, meaning it can, and will evolve over time with newer, faster cores, and with newer features. Its specs aren't even set yet you seem to want to compare it to things. Also, its not just a CPU card you do realize?

Above all else though, who are you to tell others what to spend their money on? And why the insistence that something like WebKit needs to work on a system for it to be valid? Some people use their computer for other things you know?

This community isn't tied to ppc. You may be, but that's your choice. Stop trying to push your limited tunnel vision perspective on others.

Of course this whole post is a little redundant as your entire agenda is clearly to antagonize and get a rise from people.

Damn, what a sad, miserable, pathetic life a person must have to fall so low as to carry on in such a way, consistently, for so long.

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QuikSanz 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 19-Dec-2016 2:26:02
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From: Surf City - Huntington Beach, Ca.

Netsurf 68K is moving along nicely. Let him live in his own world. I do have an A1 XE but would like a newer one with Altivec, still waiting

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wawa 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 19-Dec-2016 4:14:12
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Posts: 5314
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@ppcamiga1

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And without www, even as outdated as Webkit from 2014 on ppc, vampire is worth nothing.


not that i really want to engage in another trivial argument with you, but funny thing about this comment is, that there actualy is a 68k browser derived from webkit. namely aros-owb, and while it was pretty slow on my a4k once i have tested it, i imagine it might be usable on vampire one day.

accidentally, i just finished fixing the source to compile it with current gcc 6.1.0 and now need to retest it on x86 and 68k.

;P

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ne_one 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 19-Dec-2016 4:57:19
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Posts: 618
From: Unknown

@pavlor

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Did you look at date of that post? Fleecy Moss was then only one of many devoted Amiga users (well, in his case rather believer...).


Yes of course... but how does a rallying cry have any value when the purveyor ultimately ends up literally fleecing the community and then abandoning it?

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For me, they restored my "faith" to Amiga - after Gateway2000 ended AmigaNG project, Bill et co brought new hope.


Hey, I'm glad you think they provided a better option to any sort of hypothetical alternative, but they made outlandish promises, defrauded people and sued their partners until they were bled dry.

I can't imagine how it could have been any worse than that.

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tlosm 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 19-Dec-2016 8:29:36
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it is a wondweful dongle for classic, i will buy it for sure for my amiga 500+
but need to know will be it available to eu resellers?
because buy it from usa (im in italy) will made me pay more than 30% in customs and heavy prize for the shipping.

thanks!

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g01df1sh 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 19-Dec-2016 9:36:03
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@fishy_fis

Well said my fishy friend why do people keep knocking the effort of others. Its amazing that the Amiga is doing as well as it is considering what it has gone through. The vampire project is fantastic and will evolve to become even better with time. Don't see his classic PPC cards getting any upgrades anytime soon. Plus is OS4 even been developed further for classic now. I feel if you want PPC then next gen is a better option.

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OlafS25 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 19-Dec-2016 10:01:53
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Posts: 4896
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@ppcamiga1

a product is worth what people are willing to pay for it

a lot of people preorder despite the risen price so it seems it is worth something

I could easily take your text and use X64 for PPC and PPC for vampire what would you think?

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Beans 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 19-Dec-2016 11:53:09
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Posts: 249
From: Bear Delaware USA

@ppcamiga1

If by their last hope , you mean PPC is crap, I take offense to that, and if you mean the Vampire2, well I'm equally offended by THAT.
Out of curiousity WTF do you like?

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BigD 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 19-Dec-2016 14:49:59
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@ppcamiga1

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There are many ppc haters in this comunity, they dont't like that their last hope is crap.


The X1000 was the last hope. It was a success therefore the X5000 appeared. Your comment doesn't make sense!

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And without www, even as outdated as Webkit from 2014 on ppc, vampire is worth nothing.


The Vampire puts A500 and A600 hardware on par with high end big box classic Amigas and allows MP3 playing/makes AlienBreed 3D 2 playable (for the first time)/allows smooth ADoom/AmiDuke play on a OCS/ECS Amiga etc. It also promises AGA support in the future for OCS/ECS machines!

All this is a staggering achievement for classic Amiga fans! Irrespective of its use for Flash, HTML 5, Facebook or all the other (less fun) modern uses we put to modern machines, it will lead to many A500/A600s being dusted off and brought down from the attic and used again. That is a magnificent achievement and you sadly do not appreciate it. :-{

Therefore, I think you should buy an i7 PeeCee or an overpriced MacBook Pro and reconsider your post! This is the best thing to happen to the classic Amiga in decades and the classic Amiga is all the mainstream computer/gaming community remembers of our favourite computer/OS (if your lucky).

This will lead to more interest in Amigas than the X1000, Prisma card, AROS, MorphOS, AmigaOS 4.x, the Armiga, the Minimig, the belated Putty Squad release and the Amiga30 celebrations put together!

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