@wolfe

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It's stupid . . .

Exactly.


As, I wrote, something like that wouldn´t be possible in country where I live even hundred years ago.

@BigD

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/686379/Hungary-EU-referendum-October-enforced-migrant-quotas

Now Hungary calls EU referendum - Hungarian president sets date for vote

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@Hammer

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Now Hungary calls EU referendum - Hungarian president sets date for vote

Well, this is not EU OUT referendum...

@pavlor

It does allow the people of Hungary to actually have a voice in the EU. Something that David Cameron's team never considered prior to submitting his proposals for reform or the subsequent leave/remain referendum. Perhaps this is the way forward for countries that don't want to see the EU implode.

@pavlor

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3f6c29b8-42b6-11e6-9b66-0712b3873ae1.html#axzz4DZlq8vbJ

Janos Ader, president of Hungary, announced on Tuesday that the central European country would hold a referendum on October 2 on Brussels’ plan to share refugees out across the EU

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-orban-idUSKCN0ZF1IM
Tackle migration or risk more exits, Hungarian PM tells EU

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@Hammer

Orban told a news conference that a big majority of Hungarians supported EU membership and no political parties advocated an EU exit now, not even the radical nationalist Jobbik




EU handling of refugee crisis (hubris like quota system) certainly is not popular in Central/Eastern Europe, hungarian PM only uses UK vote to strenghten his own position towards Brussel (and Germany ).

@TiredofLife

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TiredofLife wrote: @iggy Quote: iggy wrote: @Raffaele You seem to have been the lone voice of reason here for the last day or so. Good luck with that. Personally, I intend to enjoy my celebration of our Independence Day without being drawn into discussions that remind me of John Cleese's line "No, you came here for an argument...". Its largely been pointless gain saying with limited intellectual process occuring. Hmm, that's a point. How come you get to celebrate without Raffaele getting on your case. Frankly I don't understand iggy post meaning so then your question... @Raffaele So what the diff?

Frankly I do not get iggy quote meaning. If he made some british humor, he is out EU at the moment, to laugh for...

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Rob wrote: @pavlor It does allow the people of Hungary to actually have a voice in the EU. Something that David Cameron's team never considered prior to submitting his proposals for reform or the subsequent leave/remain referendum. Perhaps this is the way forward for countries that don't want to see the EU implode.

Good point indeed...

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@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @Hammer Orban told a news conference that a big majority of Hungarians supported EU membership and no political parties advocated an EU exit now, not even the radical nationalist Jobbik EU handling of refugee crisis (hubris like quota system) certainly is not popular in Central/Eastern Europe, hungarian PM only uses UK vote to strenghten his own position towards Brussel (and Germany ).

Except my point is that any nation who choosen to stay in an union must share also duties and not only benefits or unique nation privileges to being exempt (as Cameron wanted too), deciding with referenda polls to accept or discard laws that came from Bruxelles is a good start point to let peoples in the end to be those who really decide.

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@Raffaele

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any nation who choosen to stay in an union must share also duties and not only benefits or unique nation privileges to being exempt

Our government invited 100+ Iraqis to build new life in our country. Many of them fled to Germany at first opportunity. And these were all legal migrants. "Quota system" is stupid idea. How can you even expect people, who disrespect our laws (trespassing multiple borders) to stay in country, where they don´t want to live?

@Raffaele

I was wandering why Iggy gets to celebrate independence from Britain with a nice cherry pie.
And all I get to celebrate independence from the EU, is sour grapes from you.

Cheers

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@pavlor
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Our government invited 100+ Iraqis to build new life in our country. Many of them fled to Germany at first opportunity. And these were all legal migrants. "Quota system" is stupid idea. How can you even expect people, who disrespect our laws (trespassing multiple borders) to stay in country, where they don´t want to live?

This explanation is correct and just to extend it these 100 Iraqis were Christians. People in our country and other central/east European countries don't like an idea of taking care of muslims, people who are basically "incompatible" with our life style.
We have no problems sharing also duties like @Raffaele said, we were accepting refugees since 1990, first from former state of Yugoslavia, later from Ukraine. We have also quite big Vietnamese community in our country... no problem there.

@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @Hammer Orban told a news conference that a big majority of Hungarians supported EU membership and no political parties advocated an EU exit now, not even the radical nationalist Jobbik EU handling of refugee crisis (hubris like quota system) certainly is not popular in Central/Eastern Europe, hungarian PM only uses UK vote to strenghten his own position towards Brussel (and Germany ).

Hungary has positive cash flow from the EU.

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@Overflow

Unfortunately the power is already been taken/given by joining the EU. From what I understand the EU Parliament has no power. So a vote to democratize is not allowed or legal by current EU laws. Unless someone knows of a loop hole I haven't yet found. The road ahead will be a slippery one . . . Those who currently have power are not going to just give it up! Read the EU Charter . . .

Note - Adolf Hitler had a plan for a united Europe, and it had a simular structure to the current EU for a one nation Europe. It also cut the people out of decision making. This isn't what's happening in the EU I would hope, but it is rather similar. Look at the picture of the EU when finalized on it's "current" course. No Democracy. The people have no say . . . Its like
Read Hitler's EU model for comparison . . .

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@wolfe

I expect war among nationalist "exiters" all over Europe within the next 10-20 years.

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@kolla

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kolla wrote: @wolfe I expect war among nationalist "exiters" all over Europe within the next 10-20 years.

It's going to take that long to figure out the EU (current structure) was a raw deal?

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@wolfe

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From what I understand the EU Parliament has no power.

Vote of confidence/no confidence for Commission...

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Adolf Hitler had a plan for a united Europe, and it had a simular structure to the current EU

Source for such claim? I don´t need master degree in history to see there is something weird about your point.

@Hammer

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Hungary has positive cash flow from the EU.

And? This seems rather like argument to stay IN.

@pavlor

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Source for such claim?

I think he is referring to this:

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1179902/Revealed-The-secret-report-shows-Nazis-planned-Fourth-Reich--EU.html

He is bit misquoting it, since it wasnt Hitlers plan, but Nazis plan which was possibly (and maybe even likely) done without Hitler knowing about it. Of course it is possible it in practice is based upon some sort of Hitlers vision.

I'm amazed, it took no less than 19 pages for a "reductio ad Hitlerum" to creep in, wow!

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