@ChrisH

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ChrisH wrote: You are of course allowed to feel that Ambient works better (for you personally), but please don't claim it's objectively better.

You can of course, objectively, write a list with all the features and abilities of borth Ambient and the OS4 Workbench, and then put the lists side by side and compare.

Shall we do that?

@TRIPOS

Ambient being open source for years, I was wondering why it was not ported at least to Aros.
Too tied to MUI?
Kamelito

@kamelit0

It uses MUI 4/5 API a lot which is not available to AROS currently that's probably it I think.

@TRIPOS

simple one feature
Os4 is AmigaOs 4.1

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@Zylesea

yes yes exactly like this ... but i know what you will never know
1) i have a quad g5
2)i have an x5000
3)i had a macmini i5 2012
4)i have a macbook pro i7 retina 15''
5)i had a pegasos2 a sam440, sam460, amigaone xe 933
6)i had an amiga 4000 060-66mhz - 604e 366mhz
7)i have a pentium 4 2.4 ghz
8)i have 2x pentium 4 Dual 3.0 ghz
9)i have an athlon64 220 ii
10)i have an acer i3 (2015)
11)i had a imac i7 2.93ghz
i can make paragons in real system usbility, video rendering, quakes benchmark...
and stop lollo people say the powerpc is lower than a pentium 4

you can use your amiga 500 for typing and your i7 for toilet

ps: i have an amiga500,cdtv,cd32,a4000 and a c64 and all the console

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@ChrisH

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ChrisH wrote: @OlafS25 Quote: for some Ambient is too "modern" for amiga, they wanted the look&feel from the "classics" on the NG hardware. At the risk of unleashing the devil (zombie red vs blue war) : I find OS4's Workbench + Filer to be similar usability to DOpus 5/Magellan (my gold standard). And I personally find both solutions to be far more usable than Ambient (or Wanderer). Nothing to do with "classic look&feel" (although that is a nice bonus), but rather I simply find it works better & easier use. You are of course allowed to feel that Ambient works better (for you personally), but please don't claim it's objectively better.

If only I had had enough money power to put in the arena I will invite Hyperion and MorphOS Team to a conference peace table and gladly had giving them 200.000 Euro each team in order to make both team exchanging informations on their respective OSes and made them being inter-compatible.
OS4 will also run then on MOS Quark Kernel into AOS-Box, analogue to A-Box, so people could decide to buy Quark + MorphOS or Quark + AOS, or buy both OSes in bundle, running on same kernel, switching each-other as in Mac Parallels.
Second step will be giving Teams extra 200.000 euro to make Hyperion and MOS Team together develop advanced features of Quark Kernel in a functioning QBox capable of multicore processing, memory protection, and multiuser capabilities in order to let people free to run their preferred OS on a single core of a multicore PPC, and make it to gain all horsepower from X1000, X500 or even any future machine PPC (or maybe even IntelX86, why not...)

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@TRIPOS

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You can of course, objectively, write a list with all the features and abilities of borth Ambient and the OS4 Workbench, and then put the lists side by side and compare. Shall we do that?

If you weren't so busy trying to appear as a douche in every post, you'd know that you can't objectively do that without comparing apples to oranges, unless you intend to write a dissertion about "spatial vs. navigational paradigm" (assuming you know what it's all about, of course) and why some people preferred Directory Opus over Workbench while others liked the other way around (just to remain in topic with the classic Amiga which we all love). You can still do that in modern Amiga OS and even on AROS you can choose between no less than three (Wanderer, Dopus and Scalos).
You could try to explain "objectively" people's preferences and tastes and why it's bad to have a choice, or you could simply accept the fact that some users preferred File Manager over Program Manger in Win3.x or installed the same Directory Opus when Windows had a mixed paradigm during 9x times or why nowadays someone still loves Workplace Shell and what's more loved between the current Finder and pre-OSX Finder or Miller Columns' view etc.
But i doubt you'd be able to express such articulate thoughts.

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@Develin

Not only MUI 4/5 but also CGX and other new MorphOS API calls (i.e. DOS64). Nothing extremely difficult but porting requires developer who is willing to look at system components.

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@Nibunnoichi

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If you weren't so busy trying to appear as a douche in every post, you'd know that you can't objectively do that without comparing apples to oranges, unless you intend to write a dissertion about "spatial vs. navigational paradigm"

Of course you knew that Ambient can do both spatial and navigational (not at once, but only one tick in Ambient prefs away)? Here's an example.

@itix

Any News about the new language?
Kamelito

@recedent

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recedent wrote: @Nibunnoichi Of course you knew that Ambient can do both spatial and navigational (not at once, but only one tick in Ambient prefs away)? Here's an example.

What am i supposed to gather from a screenshot, except for the fact that if you can open two different views of the same object at the same time its contrary to the very definition of "spatial"?

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@Nibunnoichi

If you'd actually read what I wrote in post #229 you'd know that it's not possible. I've put these two different window views next to each other only for your convenience (so that you wouldn't have to view two screenshots). Now, to reassure you that spatial in Ambient is really "teh real" spatial: Here.

@recedent

I seem to be blind because I have problems to see the differences...

as I wrote certainly ambient is a good system and the description sounds very similar to Magellan (at least inspired so to say) but as already mentioned people have the choice between different desktops (and always had) and tastes were and are different, some prefer this system, others a different one. Another example is Mac versus Windows, I am a Windows user and have my set of applications for it so changing to Mac would be no option, the same is true for a longtime Mac user when looking at Windows. Chris prefers certain desktops he is comforted to so he prefers 4.X Workbench or Magellan, I prefer Magellan as desktop and you propably Ambient. It is a matter of taste finally

@TRIPOS

If you compare Magellan and Ambient it would be interesting, I have some experience there (Magellan)

but even if Ambient is better... as long it is not ported on other platforms it is not that much relevant to me because I will not buy a used Mac just to run it

BTW as far as I know the ambient version you find in web is not up-to-date so even if someone would port it to Aros or AmigaOS MorphOS people would still say it is not the real one. On Aros Zune would needed to be extended so that a port becomes possible, that made sense in case of OWB that is now more advanced than the original MorphOS version but it makes not much sense in case of Ambient. So it will not happen.

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@OlafS25

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people have the choice between different desktops (and always had) and tastes were and are different, some prefer this system, others a different one

...and no matter which one you prefer - you can configure Ambient to your needs. That's my point.

@recedent

I can do tons of configurations on Magellan too (do not have used Scalos very much so cannot compare). People use what they are comforted to. I cannot compare the desktops because I never used Ambient. But even if better, Ambient is not available on other platforms.

@thread

This thread has been off-topic since the very first post.

Anyway it's good to know there's nothing to it.

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@kamelit0

More information is available on MorphOS 3.10 release.

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@OlafS25

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BTW as far as I know the ambient version you find in web is not up-to-date so even if someone would port it to Aros or AmigaOS MorphOS people would still say it is not the real one.

You always find the latest source code from http://www.morphos-team.net/downloads and http://www.morphos-team.net/files/src/3.9/ambient.tar.bz2 is current one.

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On Aros Zune would needed to be extended so that a port becomes possible, that made sense in case of OWB that is now more advanced than the original MorphOS version but it makes not much sense in case of Ambient. So it will not happen.

Those new features could benefit other Zune apps and Zune developers.

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@itix

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More information is available on MorphOS 3.10 release.

Any more info about the MorphOS 3.10 release then?

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