@gregthecanuck

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D) Perhaps pursue a 68K/PPC reunification? Vampire gets more powerful month by month. Throw 500K at the Apollo core and you could possibly have something like a 1GHz 68K processor that would kick most PPC's butt.

Clock per clock, the 68080 certainly could beat the older PPC models and it's an impressive piece of work, but a 1GHz 68080 would still be quite a bit less powerful then more modern PPC CPU's.

@Leo

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Funny you all seem to mention a sum without any target nor type of product.

I'm not just going to blurt it out here in this forum, now am I?
The fact that you can't see past what's already available does not mean no one can.

@gregthecanuck

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Throw 500K at the Apollo core...

I tried. I offered them investment and they turned it down. They wanted to keep it small, manual, and a hobby.

@WolfpackN64

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Clock per clock, the 68080 certainly could beat the older PPC models and it's an impressive piece of work, but a 1GHz 68080 would still be quite a bit less powerful then more modern PPC CPU's.

Yes, but it would be a lot cheaper.

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@agami

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agami wrote: Yes, but it would be a lot cheaper.

Depends on the size of the silicon and the scale of production. Depending on what ppc chip you'd compare it to it could be as expensive, or more likely. More expensive. PPC is not inherently expensive.

@g01df1sh

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The fun has gone out of computing we need a change and Amiga can with the right support. Achive putting the fun back into computing. Its not going to happen over night but with all the things going on with FPGA and the X series of AMigaones I feel a change is coming.

The 'put the fun back into computing' market is owned by th Pi and Micro:Bit. Compete or die! Is the Tabor able to? No it's still too expensive for schools or kids so it needs more USPs including a full range of productivity software an upgraded Odessey browser or Timberwolf, backwards compatibility with 68k and SMP support.

Why not port AmigaOS to the Pi in the meantime as a proof of concept? Attach a PPC CPU as a co-processor if need be to simplify the porting process but get it out there competing with RiscOS! Kids could learn about different types of processors using the board.

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@BigD

Correct me if I'm wrong but the impression I get is that most Pi users are using it in some kind of hardware project rather than for running a desktop OS. Where would OS4.x fit in?

I don't think porting to the Pi would significantly expand the user base and wouldn't likely be worth the time and expense. Without it's own hardware OS4.x would just get lost among all the other operating systems and distros already available.

@RodTerl

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Amiga is all about Cooperative Offload.

+1

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@Rob

It would only be a lite proof of concept version to get people to try it and test the water to see if a ARM version was possible in the long term. As I say a PowerPC board could be marketed as a 'project' for kids to program for a different processor. Just an idea.

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@g01df1sh

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I dont think im the only one that thinks Windows and apple have become boring over the years and is used just as a tool.

You're not the only one because a small number of people with no prior Amiga experience have bought Sams, X1000s and X5000s.

@BigD

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Why not port AmigaOS to the Pi

Why should they/we? I am convinced it leads to nothing.

I were a more or less dedicated RiscOS user (still have an original RiscPC 600) - but even this ARM based, native OS didn't go through the roof after adapting it to Pi, Beagle board and the like. Yes, they have more "users" now. But if you think we're a niche they are even more niche... And they still got no software. AmigaOS is the application and productivity paradise in contrast.

Changing the ISA (ARM or x64) doesn't *really* help. In the meantime get AmigaOS 4.x for Classic and Amiga Forever. Or AROS.

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@Thread

It seems Trevor analyzed very carefully the situation and he is doing it very well.

10 millions bucks are not a quite high amount of money. It is reasonable but sure we are in 2017 and investors are becoming very stingy before opening just a bit their pockets...

I could only suppose what Trevor has being including in its shopping list...

I can made some guessing tough...

1) Buy all Amiga past copyrights in order to be the only one entitled using "the name" and get definitevely rid of obnoxious people like Amiga Inc.

2) Promote and funding development of a modern robust Amiga OS

3) Quick way to do it is helping with funds existing Amiga-Like Operating Systems like AROS, AmigaOS and MorphOS.

MorphOS is based on a modern Microkernel so Trevor could buy Quark and decide to opensourcing it or hire developers to integrate AmigaOS and MorphOS with common APIs.

AROS developers should be renevued by funding them as many open source solutions viable for AOS and MOS could be originated in that environment and re-used in existing Amiga Closed Source Operating Systems

4) Buy as much as Legacy Software Copyrights as possible

5) Hire a well organized team of coders with stable salaries in order to:

5A) Modernize the OS and get rid of any bottlenwcks or hardware legacies

5B) Modernize and Update existing any good 680xx Legacy or PPC new Software

5C) Build a lots of drivers for the most common hardware peripherals solutions

6) Promote design and manufacturing of a new cheap and powerful hardware platform

7) Maintain a central organization for releasing manuals and documentation to developers and users. The central organization must also certify that all Amiga software and drivers comply to Amiga standard of quality

8) Maintain a distributed online organization funding Amiga repositories, maintain a central online store, helping Amiga forums stay online

9) Help little developers by funding their projects

10) Promote meetings to help developers exchange ideas, share projects and solutions

11) Promote Amiga with online campaign of videos showing what Amiga is capable to do and why


That's just first things that come in my mind.

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@Thread

Viable markets for a new Amiga?

In these days TV Boxes are on great rampage either those based on Android or perhaps Windows.

An Amiga TV Box capable to surf internet and watch movies with a mediaplayer, play retrogames but also aimed at creatives who want to draw, make music, make cartoons, realizing games (and port it on other platforms and online stores earing money thanks to Hollywood developing) sure will be greatly interesting for the market and it will sell in numbers of tenth of thousands, revitalizing userbase...


An Amiga TV Box also capable to edit videos will be a killer hardware...

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@agami

>>1GHz 68080 would still be quite a bit less powerful then more modern PPC CPU's.
>Yes, but it would be a lot cheaper.

With PPC, one can build 200€ computer.
How could a new 68k make it cheaper?

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@cha05e90

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Changing the ISA (ARM or x64) doesn't *really* help. In the meantime get AmigaOS 4.x for Classic and Amiga Forever. Or AROS.

It would have good for AmigaOS to compete with a limited range of other 'hobby' OSes on the Pi. Plus give a 'plan B' if PowerPC ever becomes completely unviable. I am only thinking it could be a way of increasing the profile of AmigaOS in the short term.

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Dreaming fun...

10M plan:
-Analyze AOS vs CPU situation with Hyperion&AEon&Morph&NXP, decide x64 vs PPC64.
-Fund NGAOS kick off, 5M. (OS to beta+ state, 64bit, SMP, MP, AmigaLook&Feel & AOS32bit sandbox)
-Fund 200€ end user HW 2M or spend it to x64 adaptation etc.
-Fund SW development 1M.
-Run production for enough Low end and High end models 2M.
-Have fun.

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