I'm a big fan of DOpus Magellan (v.5.5). I proberly won't buy AOS4.0 if it don't support it.

Have any of your tester tried to use it and if so what where the result of that?

I know that DOpus 4 is available but those 2 can't be compared except for the first 5 letters in the name.

Maybe they should add the most importen features into the OS:
1. Filetype creator (Create a filetype similar to how you can do it in DOpus Magellan)
2. Advanced lister, that can communicate with each other (unpacking, copy, moving....)
3. Popup menues when right cliking on a file, based on filetype
4. Commands (Arexx, shell, WB, and various internal commands)
5. Useing the commands above in menues, buttons, popupmenues....
6. Left clicking on desktop to open lister (or something else)

@tylon

Didn't somebody say, at some distant time in the past, that DOpus Mag2 would be compiled for, bundled with, or integrated into OS4? (not sure which)

@Laser

I have heard a rumor about DOpus whould be added to AOS4.0, but the rumor I heard where not specific on what version of DOpus they would add, so I am guessing that it is v4.12 since the sourcecode is available.

@tylon

surely it would run under emulation?

i also heard that some version of DOpus would be included with the OS eveuntially,
but i think it was version 4 rather than version 5.5

lets face it though - that version of DOpus is still better than explorer.exe on windowsXP (eventhough it was a vast improvement)

cheers
niceguy1979

@Laser

There was talk of Dopus being bundled with OS4
But apparantely Hyperion have not signed some
sort of licence agreement ,
And the agreement has now Been cancled
according to a recent thread on the DOpus5
mailing list

Regards

Mal aka Frosty

@frosty

oh, thats a shame.
but the version we have from 'classic' amiga will still work wont they?

cheers
niceguy1979

@niceguy1979

Yes it is a shame, I was hopeing to use DOPus 5 native on ppc A1
As for Classic versions working on OS4 ...... i Dont know for sure

All i can say is that in the OS4 Screenshots in the features section
else where on this Website, you can clearely see a DOpus icon
in the Dockies .

Hopeing that someone can confirm that DOpus works under
OS4 on the A1

Regards

Mal aka Frosty

@frosty

The same thread on the Dopus ML that you referred to also highlighted that most of Dopus mag works under the AOS4 68k emulation, but that there were some problems. I forget off the top of my head what the problem areas were.

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@tylon

I'm sure I remember reading that someone contracted to port DOpus to AOS4. I've looked but can't find the news release. I thought it was at the AI site, but couldn't find it there.

I've heard mixed reports about DOpus 5 on the A1. I can't get it to run on my A1, but I have seen someone else on the ML have success.

The problem is that like many other such hacks, it burrows deep into non-documented areas of the 68k OS structures, then when they aren't there anymore, it falls over.

I agree, it's a real pain not having it on the A1.

tony

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@tylon

WHY!!!! Have you tried workbench in 3.5 or 3.9!!!!

Gee I want to use a program that takes more memory than workbench, does less and adds extra bugs and imcompatibilities. Sounds really smart to me!

There is nothing you can't do in workbench that you can do in dopus.
but the are a few things that can be very arkward in dopus and easy in Workbench.

The thing that blows my mind is people spend day's trying to make dopus work and do something. When if the bothered to read the manual the would find workbench or shell could do that very thing quite easily.

The only thing dopus could be useful for and was never done right was to compare version numbers of libraries and stuff.

I find the fact that you make a file utility prog that does not have the ability to list the version string in the directory window as down right retarded. I played with Dopus in the past and found out the bugs and the work setting up to do something actually resembling useful as not worth the effort.


Can you tell yet that I hate Dopus.

Most of the things you list are in 3.5 and 3.9 already and quite easily could be set up in less time than you spent configuring Dopus.

I have found massive incompatibilities with dopus running.
Strange bugs and wierd happenings all disapear when Dopus is removed from the system. I would rather install XP on my Amiga than Dopus!
less bugs and more usefull features.

Dopus had it's use in times past but with 3.5 and above it quickly became not needed. It's drawbacks quickly erase any slight or marginal gains you get from using it.

I had a guy that when he sent certain attachments with YAM it sent his entire YAM directory including his preferences and emails. The problem went away with the purging of Dopus. I can name plenty of programs that acted strange with other progs but the incompatibilites go away with the purging of dopus.


Kgrach

Mind you these are just my opinions.

@kgrach

I disagree. Some of what you say makes sense - it is true that there's nothing that can be done in dopus which cannot be done from the Workbench. The problem is though, if you want to do it from the Workbench then you need to use the CLI. Fine if you're confident in a CLI Window, not so fine if you're not.

What Dopus does, is give you a GUI for most of the useful things you'd normally go about doing from a CLI. So instead of using a complex LFormat type command to create me a script which does what I want, I just click a button in Dopus, and it's all done for me!
Granted, if you want to personalise Dopus to do specific things that you want it to do then yes, you've got to setup a button and write the initial script to solve the problem. But the idea is you write it once and then assign a button to it if you think you'll use it again - job done. And besides, Dopus comes with a whole host of useful buttons pre-programmed in.

There's also the listers function. Once you've got your head around the idea of listers then you'll instantly find them far more useful than the normal way of doing things from the Workbench.
The other neat thing is the menu system which is far better than the standard menu system you get in the Workbench. For example, I was able to quite easily set mine up so that I could browse an MP3 directory, right click a song I wanted to hear and select "enqueue in AmigaAMP" (like you do on the PC for WinAMP) and using Arexx it would then do just that. If you've got some imagination the possibilities are endless and it's easy to make Workbench a joy to use with Dopus.

All that said, I don't use Dopus anymore because of problems with the modern look of my workbench. I use VisualPrefs and Birdie and PowerIcons etc etc, and it just doesn't seem to work properly from a Directory Opus screen. That's an unfortunate consequence of AmigaOS developing and Dopus standing still.

If Dopus5.x, or a new version of Dopus could be written to be compatable with AmigaOS4 then I think that would be good news.

Brian

@tonyw and tylon

What seems to crash are Magellan's listers. Anyway, you can't run it.
Tony explained the reason well: it deeply pokes into undocumented OS structures. The 68K emulator is able to run really most of old apps, so it must be Magellan's fault.
Since Hyperion have the sources, a fix could be done, but it's gonna take a LOT of time to dig out that much code.

So I guess it's ...

@kgrach
Quote:

Can you tell yet that I hate Dopus.

I don't hate Dopus but I am eager to see what I can make the toolbar do with a few scripts.

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@AV

Quote:

What seems to crash are Magellan's listers. Anyway, you can't run it.

The most useful part of DOpus 5, for me, is the ability to select a range of files in a lister to be acted upon by a tool (often customised) in a toolbar. Everything from viewing, editing in a chosen editor, unarchiving, adding .info icons etc.

If listers are frelled, then DOpus is of no use as far as I am concerned. I see this as a major loss. Working with 3.9 and in text mode is no alternative to listers.

Regards
Roy Leith

@royleith

Quote:

If listers are frelled, then DOpus is of no use as far as I am concerned. I see this as a major loss. Working with 3.9 and in text mode is no alternative to listers.

It's a major loss allright, but it's not OS4 fault.

@BrianHoskins

I totally disagree, too.DOpus Mag is perhaps the best program for the Amiga.

@royleith

Hm, what you have described should be possible by drag and drop of the selected icons on an AmiDock?!

I'm not such a big fan of DOpus Magellan, too, WB has everything that I need from a desktop, for file operations i've used DOpus 4 until I found ClassAction which is in most parts much nicer

Ciao, Alfred

@tylon

Oh no! I really can not live without DopusMag!
I feel really handicapped in Workbench, as I
have configured Magellan to do a LOT of stuff
that cant be fone from WB. I really love the
way you browse around in Dopus. And the weird
thing, It is infact very stable for me. I never
had any problems. Those who had, maybe didnt use
the latest patch?

I was planning to use Magellan under OS4, be it
emulated if I had to.. but I was so happy when
Hyperion announced that they would port it yo OS4,
but this isnt the case anymore? ... or is it?

Please, someone from Hyperion enlighten us!

I would be happy to pay for OpusMagellan6 as a
separate package for OS4 even! I would not expect
it to be a freebie.

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@kgrach

A pity you've had such bad experience with DOpus.

I find Mag II to be one of the best bits of software I've ever bought. Its clear, concise and fast. I've never had it crash or cause compatibility problems. The multi-threading, double-clicking on the backdrop to open a lister, context menus, built-in ftp, advanced filetypes, archive explorer, and many others, make it so much nicer than WB3.5.

The one real downside is the default config. It sucks. When I first bought it I actually uninstalled it I found it so unusable. Some weeks later I sat down and set it up to my liking, and have never looked back. I expect that maybe your experiences may have been because of a similar situation.