@agami

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agami wrote: the A4000. Poor thing, it gets no love from Apollo or PiStorm/emu68.

Why, do you think, that is?

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@kolla

Let me guess...they are rare and are already likely to have an 040 or 060 accelerator and/or graphics card in them negating the need to upgrade further!

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them negating the need to upgrade further!

68060 is pretty slow, and disk access is pretty poor, some developer’s thinks old classic computers are a burden to develop on, so they are using cross compilers on PC. Ask any developer I don’t think there any upper limit to how fast disk needs to be, or how fast a CPU should be, that goes for 3D rendering as well. Yeh for playing old games a 68060 is ok, I agree. Just going on Internet these days can require pretty beefy computer.

Oh… I’m backup my old disks, because disks are so large it pretty horrible boring. I’m on my 2en day.

I deleted a few large project I started on, never went anywhere, OWB is like 200mb of tiny files, it takes forever to copy or delete, that goes for GTK as well. on my ATA133 spining disks.

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But the point remains the market isn't as big because other options are available and there are far less big box Amigas to begin with!

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BigD wrote: @NutsAboutAmiga But the point remains the market isn't as big because other options are available and there are far less big box Amigas to begin with!

Yep.
I like the A4000 because most things are neatly inside the case. I only have an 040@40MHz in it, and I refuse to spend the asking price for an 060. The Kraken, when it eventually comes out, will be the perfect CPU card for this classic box.

Despite the A1200 being a bit of dongle-palooza, I can no longer delay the monumental performance boost that the PiStorm32 + emu68 will provide.

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@thread

Has anyone on the Early Adopters list received any communication about the A1222+?

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@OldAmigan

Absolutely not! Still no sign and it seems that it's the typical "two more weeks" curse...

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"Early Adopters" is a very loose term in Amiga World! Most beta testers would swear blind this machine had already been released! I guess for people used to AmigaOne Teron Evalution/Beta boards this is a way of life!

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Most beta testers would swear blind this machine had already been released! I guess for people used to AmigaOne Teron Evalution/Beta boards this is a way of life!

I don't know where you are getting that impression. The testers are as eager as everyone else for the remaining bugs to be addressed and for the systems to ship out to consumers. So is A-EON. So is everyone involved.

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@eliyahu

The developer machines from the original design are often treated as a proof of concept. However, in my experience we saw Amy 05 boards, SharkPPC stuff heck even Mick Tinker released multiple prototypes to show the public. As long as we're all on the same page that, "We'll see it to believe it!" then that's fine. Sadly, even if it arrives soon, it doesn't mean Wings, or an office suite or a modern browser are a given! "Buy one to code/write what you think is missing!" is still the order of the day it seems!

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eliyahu wrote: @BigD The testers are as eager as everyone else for the remaining bugs to be addressed and for the systems to ship out to consumers. So is A-EON. So is everyone involved. -- eliyahu

Are you implying that the “consumer” A1222 will be bug free?

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@agami

How could he possibly be suggesting that? Having made changes to address any bugs they know about, courtesy of the beta-testers, that could easily introduce more bugs.

All I took from his statement is that everyone cocerned wants to see the A1222+ out of the door and off to us, the users.

Same for me, too!

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@OldAmigan

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OldAmigan wrote: @agami How could he possibly be suggesting that?

By his statement that what's standing between the waiting consumers and the release of the A1222 is some number of remaining bugs. As in the number of bugs that still remain after all the other bugs have already been addressed. And since bugs are usually prioritised based on severity, the "remaining" bugs are usually those of low severity.

Which naturally leads me to ask: Since when has a handful of bugs or even unimplemented features stopped A-EON from releasing a SKU?

"Maybe this time they don't want to do that and they chose to take the extra time to get it right" some of you A-EON apologists might state.

Let's be honest, every person that has purchased an A-EON system or an ACube system for running AmigaOS 4 or even Linux, has essentially been a gamma tester. I doubt things will be different with the A1222, so maybe the delay is due to more than just some remaining bugs.

But if you are all sticking with the bugs story, then I am extra looking forward to seeing the release of the least buggy system for AmigaOS 4.x / Enhancer 2.x to date.

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@agami

I think the comment about bugs is incidental. There are always bugs to fix and while the hardware is still not produced, the time spent waiting allows the developers to squash more bugs. The hardware production has obviously not been completed yet or we'd see a bunch of publicity shots of the boards.

@Rob

THIS is how you announce to the world that a product is "in production"! I simply don't believe that any A1222+ units have been completed yet and the A600GS with working online AmiStore functionality (which it won't have at launch) is probably over a year away!

There are plenty of great Amiga products available right now and there's no longer any point playing the "when it's done " game!

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@NutsAboutAmiga

I'd like someone to make a PCIe backplane mainboard, that has a CPU slot expansion again.
It's one thing that allowed those, to remain useable for so long.
Even DRAM could be on them like the zorram cards or a legacy chipset fpga card

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Rob wrote: @agami I think the comment about bugs is incidental. There are always bugs to fix and while the hardware is still not produced, the time spent waiting allows the developers to squash more bugs. The hardware production has obviously not been completed yet or we'd see a bunch of publicity shots of the boards.

Then that's how it should've been phrased. Words have meaning.

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So basically a MiniITX motherboard with a really weird form factor which has 1 male instead of 1 female PCIe connector.....

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Will the A1222+ support MorphOS? How about a dual boot between MorphOS and AmigaOS4?

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