@angrybrit

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I find it incredibly stupid that people are boing nuts over something as trivial like this.

Incredibly stupid ? Sorry, but OS4 is currently my job. I get payed through sales of OS4. Every sale lost is less money for me, and believe me, I'm not swimming in money. So, I'm awfully sorry, but if you find it incredibly stupid if I complain about money I loose, maybe you would like to pay my next rent ?

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@hooligan

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Out of interest, what OS4-native apps I should run now under emulation?

Ask the author of this emulator.

It was the goal of my comment, to show that one of the following sentence is true:
- this emulator is completely useless for MOS people
- MOS people really need this emulator, because they need OS4 apps

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@elwood

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MOS people really need this emulator, because they need OS4 apps

MOS people need as much an "OS4 API wrapper" than OS4 people needs an
"MorphOS API emulator".

@Rogue:

Less OS4 sales? certainly not with the current state of "OS4Emu".
Maybe, if it would be usable.

But you would get more Hyperion games potential buyer.

Your sincerly

@TrollPPC

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MOS people need as much an "OS4 API wrapper" than OS4 people needs an "MorphOS API emulator".

RANT ON
The same people said 100 time that OS4 was vapor (like you) or the normal users?
Or user, always like you, that when someone on A.org asked where to find information about new AmigaOs and new Amiga hardare was pointed to www.morphos.net and www.pegasosppc.com
RANT OFF


I don't need MOS apps right now, OS4 is going to offer much more possibilities than MOS imho.... maybe i'm wrong but i don't need MOS yet.

Sorry if i'm too bad with you, but i can't be nice with who trolled for years against OS4/A1.

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@elwood

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- this emulator is completely useless for MOS people - MOS people really need this emulator, because they need OS4 apps

(ATM) first option is true.

@NicoPPC

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OS4 people needs an "MorphOS API emulator".

Personally I don't care at all.

I'm sorry.

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@thread:

Dear, oh dear....

Some of you lot really need to calm down.

FWIW, I'm typing this on my OS4 beta and very nice it is too.
Thank you to Rogue and Enthilza, as well as everyone else involved.

Six inches to the right of the screen I'm typing this on, Voyager is running on MOS. I've just downloaded 'os4emu.lha' and, providing I have time, I'll have a play around with it.

I see absolutely no reason why users of one system have to fall out with users of another.
Frankly, some of the childish behaviour on display here is nothing short of pathetic.
Those concerned really ought to grow up.
That goes for both sides.

Sincerely,
Robert.

Now who's gonna help me network OS4 to MOS, since I'm a clueless f*kwit? ;-P

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@EntilZha

I'm going to stick my neck out and say that this isn't anything to be worried about.


It's not the present users MOS or Os4 that are gonna generate new income, Thats already been generated.

Its the old ex AMIGAN who wonders what happened to AMIGA.

So He / She googles AMIGA ... And Arrives. Sees theres new hardware albeit pricey compared to x86 and this updated AMIGAOS really flies on it.

If they are gonna buy .. They will already have made their minds up right there and then. They aint gonna go buy a Pegasos & hope this emulation thingy actually works on the now sporadically supported MorphOS ( sorry MOS guys, I really DONT have anything against MOS at all).

Its that old Chestnut again ... The NAME !!

Thats why the BBRV entity used so much energy trying to acquire the NAME.

All IMHO of course.

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@elwood

Then you have any idea how much I think we need it .
Seriously, current OS4emu is not usable so why so much discussion.

Look at WarpOS. Hyperion games used it and then run on MorphOS.
It was profitable for both:

* Hyperion sold some more box
* MorphOS users got some more games.

Old story, but it would have been so much profitable for both with
Hyperion porting/making software, and MorphOS team the Os...

Bye

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@NicoPPC

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Less OS4 sales? certainly not with the current state of "OS4Emu".

Do me a favour and read my posting before commenting. This is exactly what I said.

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But you would get more Hyperion games potential buyer.

Would you please let us worry about more sales ourselfves? Thank you..

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@Rogue

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Anyway, the emulation is quite obviously far from being usable for anything, so any dicussion is moot as well.

Agreed. All this 'emulator' seems to provide is interfaces for Exec and the Dos and Utility libraries. It's a quick hack that's about as useful as a chocolate teapot.

I can't see how a real usable emulation of OS4 could be done, since there are plenty of API calls in OS4 that have no equivalent functionality in MorphOS or AROS (so no chance of nicking code from there) so just doing a wrapper isn't going to work. Substantial amounts of non-trivial code would be needed. Who's going to put that much work into a dying platform?

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@NicoPPC
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Seriously, current OS4emu is not usable so why so much discussion.

Plainly, I don't care. What I do care about, however, is people trying to tell me it's a good idea and a good thing for AmigaOS. Sorry but that it isn't.

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Old story, but it would have been so much profitable for both with Hyperion porting/making software, and MorphOS team the Os...

I am sorry, but our business strategy is our own to decide, nor yours, not some programmer that wants to write an emulation.

I've said it before, we tried to but there was no working with the MorphOS team. All that crap about "cooperation" is worthless if you cannot settle on a basis. It didn't work out. Get over it. It's off-topic anyway.

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@DrBombcrater

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Agreed. All this 'emulator' seems to provide is interfaces for Exec and the Dos and Utility libraries. It's a quick hack that's about as useful as a chocolate teapot. I can't see how a real usable emulation of OS4 could be done, since there are plenty of API calls in OS4 that have no equivalent functionality in MorphOS or AROS (so no chance of nicking code from there) so just doing a wrapper isn't going to work. Substantial amounts of non-trivial code would be needed. Who's going to put that much work into a dying platform?

I dunno if it even provides the aditional functionality of DOS V50+. Things like the AllocDosObject function provide new object types. Especially since DOS has seen a lot of overhaul.

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@Rogue

You statement is a bit weird. Indeed,

>Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 15-Feb-2001
>Good to hear that there now is a WarpOS emulator so people wanting to
>play Hyperion games are not left in the cold. Although I am a bit
>worried about performance because I have extensive posts by Ralph
>Schmidt on this very site where he claimed no WarpOS emulation would
>be made and secondly that if it were made, it would be dead slow.
>Care to comment Ralph?
>What happened?

so, I don't understand why you react this way now :(

By the way, the speed was really good. Hyperion games ran about 20%
faster using MorphOS 0.4 against WarpOS on the same hardware

Your sincerly.

@NicoPPC

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so, I don't understand why you react this way now :(

We didn't sell WarpUp. We sell OS4.

Really, I don't have a problem with the emulation, because it definitely is not usable right now. What I do have a problem with is that people here tell me it's a good thing, and it will "make OS4 stronger". That is, IMHO, ridiculous.

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By the way, the speed was really good. Hyperion games ran about 20% faster using MorphOS 0.4 against WarpOS on the same hardware

No wonder, no 68k deceleration...

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@NicoPPC

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so, I don't understand why you react this way now :(

You might notice that my name is not Ben Hermans.

You might also notice that Hyperion never did produce WarpOS. Since WarpOS was freely distributable, we couldn't care less about any sort of emulation.

With AmigaOS 4 this is a whee bit different. It's commercial, and it's done by us. You will surely understand that we as the producers want to protect our investments in time, money and sweat, not to mention the same investment by the developers that work on AmigaOS 4.

Therefore I reserve the right to take a dim view on any sort of Emulation, and I won't let people like yourself tell me what view I should take.

Thank you very much.

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@The_Editor

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I'm going to stick my neck out and say that this isn't anything to be worried about.

Again: I'm not worried about the emulator. I know it's unusable. I'm just worried that people think it's a good thing. And I'm really p*ssed off by people who call me "incredibly stupid" because I tell KimmoK that I don't see a reason why I should see an OS4 emulation on MOS as a good thing.

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@klesterjr

> I just checked out Vesalia -- a Pegasos there is $694.90 (euros)

Actually the current Vesalia price of a Peg II with 1GHz G4 is EUR589,90. Of course the uA1 includes OS 4, but that's the point: If MOS had a *working* OS 4 emulation there wouldn't be a need to buy OS 4, would it ?

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EntilZha wrote: @angrybrit Incredibly stupid ? Sorry, but OS4 is currently my job. I get payed through sales of OS4. Every sale lost is less money for me, and believe me, I'm not swimming in money. So, I'm awfully sorry, but if you find it incredibly stupid if I complain about money I loose, maybe you would like to pay my next rent ?

How about we turn the tables. What if red Amigans want to run Papyrus Office? Will it be not ok for some devs to add the proper missing functionality to AmigaOS4 to make this piece of MorphOS software run native? Do you assume the average Amigan will purchase both expensive motherboards?

Now there is 2 solutions for the aging Amiga market. The community is split thanks to Amiga Inc and their hairbrained schemes. Let's be realistic, this was bound to happen. And deep down... You knew this kind of software would turn up sooner or later.

If you want to sell more boxes of AmigaOS4... Let Cloanto release a new version of Amiga Forever with AmigaOS4 instead of AmigaOS 3.X?

@angrybrit

How about we turn the tables. What if red Amigans want to run Papyrus Office? Will it be not ok for some devs to add the proper missing functionality to AmigaOS4 to make this piece of MorphOS software run native?

I don't think you'd expect the OS4 developers to care about that ? Would you care if you're making a product and if a third party made it possible for your product to be able to use a rivals offering ? Offcourse not, but offcourse you'd speak up if it was the other way around. That's pretty normal.

From a user point of view, we shouldn't really care if our rival platform could run our software. As a user, I might be interested in running the rival platforms software on my system..

It totally depends on your point of view. Asking this question to the developers of OS4 is a bit silly.

The community is split thanks to Amiga Inc and their hairbrained schemes.

There were 2 parties involved, neither of them free of blame.

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