@nomore

Refer to HDV format (MPEG2 + DV)... One could google Apple + iMovie HD + HDV. (Sigh)... Are sure you have iMovie HD installed?

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@Hammer

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Refer to Apple's Flagship PowerMac G5 if medium-tower concept was wrong.

We are not talking about a G5 medium tower here so this point has no bearing on the subject at hand.
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Internal expandability beyond external devices i.e. a feature found on Apple's flagship PowerMac G5.

same again
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It's a matter for the consumer to make this judgement. Building small or medium or large computers is not a major technical issue i.e. it?s a matter of priority given by its manufactures and its intended consumers.

Exactly, a consumer looking for expandability will not buy the mini mac period.A person looking for a small solution that will save space will not go for a tower, the two are mutally exclusive from this perspective. Therefore the only way to get an accurate comparison is for both solutions be the same approximate size.It should not be too difficult to find a mini itx solution to do a real comparison with.I disagree that the size of computer has little impact on the cost of a computer.If this was the case I would have a laptop not a tower on my desk right now.
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FX5100 would run most other games that are not "tech demo" games.

Being able to run a game and it being displayed at a playable standard are two differant things.The 5500 solution with 256 MB on board video ram is better, but you really need 512 MB of main ram or you will still find your images will be displayed faster if they were sent by mail.
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At least Geforce FX5100 is better than graphic card that was bundled with DOOM3 bundle (refer to Australia?s Harvey Norman** Geforce 4 MX 4000/DOOM3 bundle offer).

Yep, I fully agree. This was an absolute abysmal effort in my opinion.Harvey norman was just trying to get rid of stock.

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@Hammer

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Refer to HDV format (MPEG2 + DV)... One could google Apple + iMovie HD + HDV. (Sigh)... Are sure you have iMovie HD installed?

I use Final Cut Express 2, not iMovie.

@IonMane

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We are not talking about a G5 medium tower here so this point has no bearing on the subject at hand.

There are multiple subjects at hand i.e. one them was 'features at a given price'. This encapsulates every thing. Note, PowerMac G5 can be treated as another PC.

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Exactly, a consumer looking for expandability will not buy the mini mac period. A person looking for a small solution that will save space will not go for a tower, the two are mutally exclusive from this perspective.

Well, IBM was selling a small foot print PCs with Thinkpad's Ultradrive. I wouldn't say they are successful relative to HP, DELL and ACER.

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Therefore the only way to get an accurate comparison is for both solutions be the same approximate size. It should not be too difficult to find a mini itx solution to do a real comparison with. I disagree that the size of computer has little impact on the cost of a computer.If this was the case I would have a laptop not a tower on my desk right now.

I'm keeping this strictly Tier 1 vs Tier 1.

In www.tech-report.com, their counter OSview posting was an AMD K7 Sempr0n/SFF based.

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I disagree that the size of computer has little impact on the cost of a computer.If this was the case I would have a laptop not a tower on my desk right now.

In a large extent it doesn?t i.e. economic of scale issues and general PC market demands.

With laptops, 15in/17in TFT screen, 60WattHr Li-ion, keyboard, touchpad, MXM Video card (mini-Gfx cards), laptop CD/DVD drives are cost factors. Please config a Mac-Mini with these included. One may refer to Apple's iBook or PowerBook prices.

Refer to pricewatch.com or newegg for PC laptop prices.

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@IonMane

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Being able to run a game and it being displayed at a playable standard are two differant things.The 5500 solution with 256 MB on board video ram is better, but you really need 512 MB of main ram or you will still find your images will be displayed faster if they were sent by mail.

They are playable i.e. sizable chunks of the OS gets swapped to VM and textures are loaded into FX5500?s onboard 256MB memory. While playing games, multi-tasking would $uck btw.

GPU?s onboard memory and AGP texture memory works like a water fall effect i.e. GPU?s onboard memory will be filled up first before using AGP texture memory insurance. Most games have a degree of scalability e.g. DOOM3 (designed with XBOX in mind)

The system configured is not an Alienware51 style game box. It was not priced to be a screamer at games and benchmark crazy PC.

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Right this minute I'm downloading some indie music on LimeWire through cable internet, playing 160kbps MP3s with software equalize and sound enhancement turned all the way up through a high end home system, burning a VideoCD through Toast, and surfing the net with dual displays (extended desktop) all at the same time. Not uncommon maybe but I'm on a 4 your old 400Mhz PowerBook with 8mb video card, OS X 10.3 (Panther) with all of 384Mb RAM with all eye candy turned on. Reminds me of the good ol days on my A500

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How to crack a Mini: Video on this site (Click)

Mini undergoing exploratory surgery Here

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Well, I picked up the Mac Mini on Sunday. I got the 1.42 Ghz / 80 Gb drive / 256 Mb ram. You get it, knowing that it is freakishly small, and then you open the box (which my wife loved).

It really is freakishly small.

Holy cow.

Anyway, we hooked it, copied her mail, her files and had it up and running in about an hour (including yanking the PC out of the space and dusting).

It seems to handle everything very well - surfing, mail, playing video, music.

So far, so good.

More in a few weeks once we've gotten used to it.

..But, it still isn't an Amiga. But it is what I think it could have been, or will be.

@AmiNTT

I'm thinking of installing Mac Minis in our new startup ....

Any kewl office software bundled with that ?

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Any kewl office software bundled with that ?

iLife '05 and AppleWorks 6.

And of course, it is crunching keys for Team Amiga.