But this condition have to be met first:

Will Eyetech sell enough Micro a1-c boards(i would guess around 3/4/5000) to continue with the a1-XC board(A board that WILL catch up with the rest of the world hardware wise, and to a much more logical pricetag)

So, this is much more important than u might think, because if this doesnt happen, we might never reach a userbase larger than 2000 or 3000 people.

But im 99% certain it will happen, because i strongly believe that when OS4 is done, and trumpets and whistles roam through the air, the micro a1-c boards will sell at a faster rate than today.

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@Restore2003


Imho we are already 2000 users, but Eyetech doesn't release numbers.

1 SE bacth = 100?
3 XE batch = at least 300 units every batch = 900
1 MicroA1-C batch = i hope at least 500 machines

1500 total machines with a minimum bet.

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@ikir

without knowing anything more than you about this matter i think your numbers is pretty dubious... Everyone knows eyetech never released a number and they most likely never will unless it sell exceptionally good.

i dont care about numbers...i care about the users! and users who has become OS4 /a1 owners since april 2004 has been promising.

When you notice new faces show up as constantly as here lately that makes us get happy and i understand why restore expects the XC...i do too but i think we need abit more growth before such a thing is determined...

remeber the I model aint out even and that was announced at the same time as the C model....

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@ikir

IIRC the sales were already over 1000 before the Micro started shipping.

If Eyetech would release the XC, I would definately buy one and perhaps I would lend my XE to developer, if there was any developer out there needing one. (See also the thread Incredible!)

@Restore2003

I am looking forward to the AmigaOne XC but is it really a "big box" computer? I mean no mini/micro ATX? I prefer to be able to choose graphicscard and have more than one PCI port. Though I got to get a hold of a lots of money to be able to buy it (including selling my A1XE, but I guess that will be hard when (if?) the A1 XC availiable).

@Ikir

If Eyetech doesn´t release any sales numbers, where do you get your numbers from?

@Niolator

Indeed i don't know nothing, i'm only speculating.
Considering the producing bacth for a small market.

Maybe the right number is 500, 1000, 2000, 5000 Only Eyetech know.

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@ikir

OK, Let´s hope it is around 5000.

Still no where the amount that would get any real comercial software released the userbase is just to small.

@ikir

3 XE batches? I didn't know that.

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@Restore2003

my 4 pennoth - if this could be bundled in a tiny case and an SVHS - TV lead, this could be a seller - perhaps dealers can get together and commision a nice tiny miniITX box ? IrDA may need to be included.

PVR functionality could come later with a TVin card bundled with some PVR software. (I gather there are some TVin apps in the works )

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@amigamad

No, but if the XC is produced and it has none of the bugs that for example the SE and the XE has more people might become interested in purchasing an AmigaOne and I know many old Amiga users that has now turned to PC are still keeping an eye on the Amiga market. And many people are getting really tired of Windows. It´s not only us Amigans. I bet some computer papers will write about AmigaOS 4.0 when it´s finished and that will attract more attention. Maybe the real sales will not start to happen until AmigaOS 4.0 is finished? Up until now it is probably only the real hardcore Amigans that have bought an AmigaOne.

But if Eyetech won´t begin to produce XC´s until the sales of the other AmigaOne´s are big enough we might have a nice moment 22.

@Restore2003

If the XC ever arrives in the form mentioned by Alan Redhouse (uATX/G4/Articia P) it'll be a dinosaur. It would just about bring the AmigaOne patform level with where the Pegasos2 is today, and the Peg2 isn't exactly a modern cutting-edge design. It would be quicker, easier and cheaper just to buy a pile of Peg2s from BPlan, flash in new firmware and put an 'AmigaOne-XC' sticker on it. The end result would be pretty much the same.

What I'd rather see is a board built around one of Freescale's new SoC chips. These have quite simply outstanding specs. Take the MPC8548E, for example. It has :

* Core speeds up to 1.5GHz.
* Support for 400MHz DDR and 667MHz DDR2 memory.
* PCI-Express capability (8 lanes).
* 2 x 32-bit PCI busses, or 1 x 64-bit bus.
* 4 x Gigabit ethernet interfaces.

All in a single chip. An A1 built around this would have a lower component count and simpler layout than an XC-style board, and thus be cheaper, and all the critical functions are designed by Freescale so there's less chance of bugs.

If Eyetech are not planning such a system, I hope ACK, BPlan or somebody else is.

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@Niolator

IIRC the XC is feted to have an AGP slot, and two PCI slots (might even have some sort of Radeon on board, too).

the uA1 doesnt have AGP.

the point of confusion is this:

the micro A1 is Mini ITX,
the XC is micro ATX.

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@DrBombcrater

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If Eyetech are not planning such a system, I hope ACK, BPlan or somebody else is.

Well, that is what everyone is hoping for.... that others will join in on the hardware roundabout

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@Agafaster

OK, so it´s still not a "normal" size motherboard? In that case I am dissapointed.

@Niolator

"Normal" size isn't as important as it once was.

I want to see a replaceable videocard. Even if the Amiga is a few generations behind at least we can use the discarded cards cheaply to improve the video. So, even if video is built on there should be an AGP or PCI-x slot for upgrade potential.

But, if the motherboard has sound, Ethernet, USB, 2.0 preferrably, Firewire, IDE, and SATA there's really not much more you need to add in. 1 or at most 2 PCI slots for those people who want SCSI or RAID or the chance at a better soundcard.

The Amiga is a desktop machine it doesn't need the 5 slot expandability you'd want in a server class machine.

@BrianK

Hmm.. Maybe you got a point there. Maybe it´s just me that are old fashioned? I´m not used to all this new stuff.

By the way: What CPU speeds are being talked about when coming to the XC? I certainly hope that 1 Ghz+ is the default speed.

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@BrianK

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The Amiga is a desktop machine it doesn't need the 5 slot expandability you'd want in a server class machine.

I wouldn't even consider buying a new machine with less than 5 PCI slots, because three of those slots would be used right away (SATA, sound and TV cards) leaving just two for future expansion.

My main PC has 5 PCI slots and despite all the motherboard-mounted hardware, I've managed to use all but one of the slots.

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@Niolator

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Hmm.. Maybe you got a point there. Maybe it´s just me that are old fashioned? I´m not used to all this new stuff.

mini-ITX and micro-ATX are normal sizes ! the XE / SE were specified as full-ATX
if that is any help.

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By the way: What CPU speeds are being talked about when coming to the XC? I certainly hope that 1 Ghz+ is the default speed.

its supposed (!) to be the Articia-P Northbridge, which is alleged to handle DDR SDRAM, so I imagine the FSB will probably take a hike-up too.
150 MHz ? (NB: this is a GUESS !)

the CPU speed is handled by the CPU itself; IIRC the NB talks to the CPU at the FSB speed. (someone correct me if I have it wildly inaccurate...)

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Hi DrBombcrater,


TOTALLY AGREE!

We need a full sized motherboard. An XC has to be just that!

Minimum specification:

-- Firewire2 * 2
-- USB2.0 * 2
-- Gigabit ethernet
-- It would be best, if it had 4 ram slots supporting 4 * 512 meg = 2 Gig ram, OR use only 2 slots of the 4 slots, with 2 * 1 Gig DDRs = 2 Gigs (Because, apparently, putting enough slots on for 3 or 4 Gigs is troublesome.)
-- 400 MHz DDR2 memory
-- Minimum 1.7 GHz PPC WITH!!! Altivec
-- NO ONBOARD VIDEO!!!! 4 * AGP
-- 5 PCI slots!!!!!
----- 1 for sound, one for SCSI or RAID or SATA card, 1 for Catweasel, etc. use your imagination
-- Onboard HD connector
-- Parallel port
-- Serial port
-- PS/2 connector (keyboard)


Nice to have:

-- Slot for extra CPU, for dual operation, OR speed increase. If it had it's own memory slot, upto 1 Gig, it could run AOS4.0 separately from first CPU, and be "gotten to" through "screen" selection. It would communicate to the rest of the computer components, by making requests to the first CPU, as though it was an independent remote computer. Imagine, it could solely run dnetc RC5, or render, or run a message board, while you're using your "other computer".
-- Onboard RAID, with dedicated ram slot for 64 to 256 meg ram buffer.
-- PCI Express 1 or 2 slots
-- SATA connector on MB
-- Custom Case (A2000 like), with 2 compact flash card slots on the front (It would be cool if a keyboard had 2 compact flash card slots on it, and you could plug one in, and boot off of it, TAKE THAT pc users!!! It would have to be a USB2.0 keyboard, though.) and IrDA sensors in the front.



MUST HAVE "BIG BOX" machines. They are VERY important.


Hi Agafaster,

I think you want an "Amiga Fantasy".



AmigaOne! AOS4.0! C'mon, let's conquor the world!!!!!!!!