So Rogue/EntilZha have you had any luck in finding out what's the cause
for the strange crashes on GX machines?

On my machine emulated stuff (like IBrowse) gives me the most trouble.
But shuting down the L2 cache fixes IBrowse atleast. But this gives alot
of performance losses on the rest of the stuff in the system.

Is the update near release anytime soon (say within two months)?
I remember Rogue hoping for a march release 2-3 months ago in a
thread here. This if everything went as exepcted. I suppose they didn't.
The GX problem being one of the things stopping the release to?

I had to ask.. I just had to!!!


/Harry

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@Samwel

I love the way people use the word "bug" as if whatever a problem might be, it can only be that. Actually it irritates me no end, as there are only too many idiots ready to latch onto the word and go trumpeting across the Net that the AmigaOne (or whatever) is seriously flawed,
without a shred of proof. That sort of thing can seriously hurt the community (people that use the machine, people that sell it...).

The definition of a computer bug is that of a failure or defect, either in code or in the electronics.

However, it is known that the 750 GX is not an exact replica of the 750FX. It's a more advanced chip and certainly has features which the 750 FX or MPC 745x (which is even less recent) don't have. That's not a defect or failure, it's a feature, deliberately introduced to improve performance over previous G3 chips.

That's not a bug, that's a compatibility issue. We got used to having different compiles of 68K code, depending on whether the Miggy had a 68000, 68020, 68040 or 68060... and also depending on whether a FPU was installed. Nobody would dream of calling differences between these processors "bugs", or if they did, they'd be laughed to scorn.

@anarchic_teapot

Hmm, you certainly have a good point here.
Nevertheless, it wouldn't hurt to have a fix on that anytime soon.

But if i keep using your analogy with 68K cpus to a certain extend, will we have to look for specific "GX" or "FX" versions of softwares, like we sometimes did for 020+/040/060 ?
I'm sure you'll agree that this is highly unlikely (thank god).

Anyway, this seems to be a tough nasty little issue :-|


/me stuck with AWeb in despair.

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@anarchic_teapot

Yes rose, we agree for sure. but he asked very polite, and he asked for information about this compatibility issue.

I'm also pissed off by trolls on Ann and many other site (italy is the land of the trolls....) which attack os4 everytime they can without having a clue.

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AFAIK there is no planned update i.e. it has not been said "we'll release one in N weeks or soon or whatever" so it would be wise not to wait one.
Thanks.

@Samwel

About the GX issue, could you raise this again next week? The Friedens cannot answer you right now, sorry.

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@anarchic_teapot

Sorry! Bad choice of word.. GX problem then.

But anything that causes a crash to happen which drags down the
system or part of it must be called a bug.. Must it not?
Especially when some support code for GX is implemented in the system.
Otherwise it would not have been reqognised by UBoot.

But I know use of this chip came as surprise to Hyperion. FX was the
CPU that Eyetech would sell with the µA1-C. Rogue has mentioned this
numerous times.

Comparing PowerPC with 68k isn't fully correct is it?
Different PowerPCs should be compatible with each other to a much
higher degree than the 68k ever were.


But enough of this now.. Back to the topic.

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@anarchic_teapot

[EDIT - insult removed]

Its very irritating, to read ALL your post, at least for me.

Cheers

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Well your correct in that there has not been any promises of dates
and so on. But Rogue has stated in a thread in february that he "hoped"
they could have an update ready for end of march-beginning of april.
But he also commented that then EVERYTHING must go as planned. And
followed that comment with that mostly it doesn't.

Also there has been other numerous statements by both Friedens that
an update will come, but never when.

Ok. Out of town are they? Hmm I hope they are on vacation, resting for
the final struggle to release OS4.


/Harry

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@Samwel

Maybe hold that thought for some time for now ;)

Enjoy the spring/fall instead, take a walk outside ;)

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Quote:

Ashitaka wrote: But if i keep using your analogy with 68K cpus to a certain extend, will we have to look for specific "GX" or "FX" versions of softwares, like we sometimes did for 020+/040/060 ? I'm sure you'll agree that this is highly unlikely (thank god)..

It did cross my mind and I agreee it's a horrible thought!
I've no idea what is planned, although I imagine at some point a patch or update will be issued to correct the problem.
I've been trying to remember what Apple did to deal with similar problems, and I seem to recall we ended up with specific installation CDs for each machine. And, of course, "older" (Apple definition) machines not being able to run the latest version of the OS.

(cheerful again) Of course, with OS4 being so much more compact than OSX, a bit of canny programming would probably mean the installation program itself could detect the processor and install any patches needed for full compatibility. I hope that's what happens.

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@ikir

Quote:

ikir wrote: @anarchic_teapot Yes rose, we agree for sure. but he asked very polite, and he asked for information about this compatibility issue.

Very true. Can we try and make a list of the problems, with the GR codes if possible?

@anarchic_teapot

Wow, congratulations on the most blatent abuse of moderation powers I've ever seen.

@Uncharted

Calm down.

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@anarchic_teapot

Quote:

The definition of a computer bug is that of a failure or defect, either in code or in the electronics.

Do bear in mind that the 750GX is known to contain at least one very serious hardware defect, and there's been zero information from Eyetech or Hyperion as to whether the uA1 uses a buggy revision of the GX and if so what impact it has on OS4.

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@anarchic_teapot

With all due respect, I cannot see Samwel actually using the term "bug"

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@Rudei

Because he edited the post. Anyway it is not the point of the thread.

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@ikir

I fail to see anything in my post that indicates I wasn't calm.

@anarchic_teapot
Quote:

That's not a bug, that's a compatibility issue...

Looking at it from the end customer's perspective it is at least a system level bug. And in this case, the GX-flavoured AmigaOne system (software + hardware together) has a bug.

But I do understand your frustration with 'them' and how 'they' love to pounce on any juicy bit of potentially negative news they can. According to them, it's all part of their information sharing compaign designed to keep potential consumers fully informed. After all, we don't want anyone making the absolutely dreadful and life altering mistake of purchasing an AmigaOne system from swindlers and crooks bent on taking over the world. At least that seems to be their official line.

P.S. Last I heard the GX problem was still being worked. We all know when it will be done...

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...to keep potential consumers fully informed.

Yes... the customers must be fully informed and respected... this isn't a secret agency !
This is simply a **right** for the users... particularly when someone sell to you a full (end-user) working board that actually isn't so... well, full working...

Quote:

Last I heard the GX problem was still being worked. We all know when it will be done...

It must be a tough thing for taking all this time... let's hope isn't another hardware issue because in this case we will be damned to deal with the Eyetech's strange customer caring (again)...

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