@yoodoo2

Answer me this: How much software would PowerPC Linux have if it wasn't for X86 developers?

Our custom PPC machines will benefit from new X86 Amiga users and developers. I believe that.

I'm not saying Hyperion release a botched-up semi-finished port tomorrow! If it needs work, that's all the more reason to do it now instead of waiting for the next train crash.

All this business about "I don't want X86 because it's, er, not very good" is totally different. And the point about never getting a license just makes me feel like banging my head against the wall.

Chris

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@yoodoo2

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yoodoo2 wrote: I think we need to stick to PPC for the moment (say 3-5 years or so?).

I wouldn't wait that long. I'd wait untill OS4 final, UNLESS the delay in OS4 final is due to hardware, in which case it's a 2 birds one stone situation anyway.

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reasons: 1) a switch to x86 would create even more delays - let's get OS4 as it is out and about

it would only create delays if done before OS4 final... UNLESS like I said THAT delay is due to hardware.

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4) no x86 license for OS4 exists or is ever likely to (hello Amiga Inc)

Why is that a problem? NO LICENSE IS NEEDED unless either:

A) Amiga Inc release an update to AmigaOS4 THEMSELVES within 6 months of OS4 completion roflmao!
B) Amiga Inc BUY OS4 from Hyperion. roflmao!

This is all in the license agreement.
The license is a problem of the past, as I keep pointing out when someone asks troika if they have one yet.

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@clebin

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Our custom PPC machines will benefit from new X86 Amiga users and developers. I believe that.

I don't. I think PPC will as usual become the poor relative.

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the point about never getting a license just makes me feel like banging my head against the wall.

Indeed. But I doubt there's much Hyperion could do about that anyway.

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@T_Bone

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The license is a problem of the past, as I keep pointing out when someone asks troika if they have one yet.

Possibly. I don't know enough about that to comment.

I imagine that a cash-strapped Amiga Inc might come looking for royalties if an x86 version were released. Especially if it did well.

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@yoodoo2

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yoodoo2 wrote: @T_Bone Quote: The license is a problem of the past, as I keep pointing out when someone asks troika if they have one yet. Possibly. I don't know enough about that to comment. I imagine that a cash-strapped Amiga Inc might come looking for royalties if an x86 version were released. Especially if it did well.

The license was posted during the Hyperion IRC chat.

Nobody has verified it's authentic, but the parts I used in the previous post were stated by Ben Hermans long ago anyway. they're true.

As for royalties, they would come from OS sales, just as they would from PPC OS sales when it's made available for BPPC/CSPPC/whatever.

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@T_Bone
Ah, but true to us or true to one party doesn't mean true to both parties. The Amiga legal history over the years has sucked up more cash than Jarndyce vs Jarndyce.

Personally, I think Amiga users should stop aiming at matching Wintel machines in terms of both hardware and software. What's needed is a low end device that "just works" in the same way as a DVD video player just works. A lot of people fork out £300 ish for a DVD/HD combo. I'd find a good hardware partner to chat with and bundle OS4 as an add-on with a SD card, bluetooth keyboard etc for £100. Now, where did I leave that spare £200 million to play with?

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We're already the poor relative. That's why people can't run Firefox and will have to wait 5 years for OpenOffice, if they get it at all.

@yoodoo2
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Personally, I think Amiga users should stop aiming at matching Wintel machines in terms of both hardware and software. What's needed is a low end device that "just works" in the same way as a DVD video player just works. A lot of people fork out £300 ish for a DVD/HD combo. I'd find a good hardware partner to chat with and bundle OS4 as an add-on with a SD card, bluetooth keyboard etc for £100. Now, where did I leave that spare £200 million to play with?

What good does this daydreaming do? The community has been daydreaming for 15 years. We're trying to talk realistically and you come over all Walter Mitty.

Chris

@clebin

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What good does this daydreaming do? The community has been daydreaming for 15 years

Nothing. Which is why I bought an A1 as soon as possible.

Daydreaming is thinking that we can compete on the desktop. As a long term product we can't - therefore a new niche area has to be targetted.

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If Hyperion gets it on the Playstation there will be lots of support to move to other platforms. Since they already have it scalable and on a PDA, it shouldn't be that hard after the market increases from Playstation 3. From what I understand from reading my son's Playstation Mag, Sony's drive left over from the Playstation2's direction is to have it be multimedia. I am refurring to the ability to play movies. PS3 will push blue-ray. I think that puts it in position to be the computer to run the livingroom widescreen TV etc. If they do I will be using the AmigaOS to surf and organize our entertainment. In my family we could only justify buying one machine to be the livingroom computer and my son will be pushing us to spend the extra money on PS3. Just a guess from my crystal balls.
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PPC only, naturally. AmigaOS 4 should only work on a Amiga Hardware, not on cheap PC dirt.
We must protect the Amiga as plateau, else the Amiga spirit dies.

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@AmigaPapst

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AmigaPapst wrote: PPC only, naturally. AmigaOS 4 should only work on a Amiga Hardware, not on cheap PC dirt. We must protect the Amiga as plateau, else the Amiga spirit dies.

Hmmm, the "Amiga religion" factor.

Judging by your Avatar, maybe you could just "bless" new hardware for us?

(My avatar could give your avatar a good interest rate in exchange) ;-P

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um PPC now and when the price comes down Cell cpu ( dose the cell cost much ? )

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@drHirudo

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drHirudo wrote: You have AmigaOS running on x86 today and it's called AROS.

AROS runs on PPC too, Are you going to use it instead of AmigaOS4? If not, why not? It's free.

Oh, you'd rather use AmigaOS4? well, me too.

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VidarL wrote: @RoqueFort What technical background do you have, that made you capable of reaching that conclusion? Vidar

That's pretty much what I read in Amiga Format and Amiga Active some years ago. Are you saying it's wrong?

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PPC ONLY!!!

Man, stop this damn and mindawayblowed "I want AOS4 on my ####ty x86 Dell Box with its 20 years old BIOS full of failures..." discussion - ARGH!!!

Go and buy an µAOne and if you can't afford one stay with the classics!!!

There are more important things at this moment...

...like where is Update #4!!

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Go and buy an µAOne and if you can't afford one stay with the classics!!!

This discussion was principally raised because we can't buy an µAOne (!!!1). Although two (well in fact only one half-decent) platforms have been announced, we were discussing how we could solve those problems (which will surely arise again) permanently.

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@RoqueFort

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RoqueFort wrote: Quote: VidarL wrote: @RoqueFort What technical background do you have, that made you capable of reaching that conclusion? Vidar That's pretty much what I read in Amiga Format and Amiga Active some years ago. Are you saying it's wrong?

AF and AA?
Well, at least it might not have appeared to be wrong at the time it was written, which seems to have been back when Amigas still were made or there were plans for new Amigas, and when other hardware was "competition" instead of "opportunities"...

Time flies, things change.

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