@Desler

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Finally I still need some graphic counsel (Background picture, icon themes, size of icons, placement, general layout and such)

hmmm... icon sizes really need to be variable AISS 24x24 is ok for screens up to 1024x768 but for large screenmodes you need 36 or even 48. As for placement, I recomment a floating toolbar in it's own window with optional horizonal, vertical and square layouts.

Background picture should be user selectable but if the toolbar is floating then there isn't much need for a background.

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@Desler

Great effort! Just the kind of thing the Amiga needs right now.

It may be too obvious to state, but any word processor that I use needs two things: support for styles, and onscreen rulers.

If you are really going cross-platform, I would love to beta test your Mac version. Unfortunately, I do not yet have a NG Amiga.

Dave

@Severin

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@Desler Sign me up for beta testing...

Ditto.

A1-XE@933MHz, 256 MiB RAM here.

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@Desler
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- Word doc type compability and other. However I will probably need help with these formats

Maybe this could be useful for you. It is what abiword uses for importing msword formats.

Thank you for your efforts. This is very needed for AmigaOS.

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@Desler
Great stuff!

Don't forget there is also UtilityBase for your developer related questions. There are some dev discussions here from time to time but mostly there is a lot of political chatter and advertising noise lately which makes it difficult to spot important threads like this one.

Best of luck!

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There are some dev discussions here from time to time but mostly there is a lot of political chatter and advertising noise lately which makes it difficult to spot important threads like this one.

Actually it's very easy to spot threads which are important by your definition.

Just use these two links:

Amiga OS4 Software
Amiga Development

For avoiding the two advertising-banners at the top-right, you might want to use a tool such as "Adblock" in case you are using Firefox (sorry, don't know if such a tool exists for Amiga-browsers, but maybe you can just deactivate all imagery).

@Desler

Let me know if you need a 68k system to beta test on. And yes I do think my Amiga is "Special"

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What pictures or art do you need help with? Let us know and I am sure your inbox will be full of all kinds of art for your every need.

I had an idea about format. I was wondering if you could actually use an HTML format for saved documents. The reason why I was thinking this is it is possible to have a wide variety of text, graphics, animations etc... on a web page and it would also be nice to have a Web page what you see is what you get editor.

I also thought it would be nice if there were one common format that would do the job for a word processor, email or presentation. Perhaps even add spreadsheet to the list. Thats looking ahead quite a bit, but I just thought it might be a good idea to keep something like this in mind durring the initial stages of design. That way, if you are sending an email, it would just use your program to create the reply or read the email and all the email program would have to do is what it does that your program does not.

It is good to see some real work going on with original office type software. I think one of the top things a computer is used for now a days is what a type writer used to be. Looks really nice by the way!

I have an AmigaOneXE with a G4 processor, so if you need to test on this type of machine let me know and I will definitly kick the tires on this one.

@Desler

Hi ! We had a talk about your great work weeks ago. I could help with my knowledge on various formats (Wordworth, Office, ...). I have to continue the efforts on PointRider before working again on Word support I started a long time ago. All Office formats have the same base with OLE encapsulation and more (drawing elements, ...).

I will contact you again soon.

@Desler

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My idea is to support pure XML and then hope to be able to use some of the converters which are out there. Does anyone have thoughts about this. Would it be better just to try to support microsofts XML?

Firstly, Microsoft will never open the binary blobs which makes direct support almost impossible. Then, they would sue you for patent violation when you published your work.

Much to the open software community's distress, Microsoft have contracted to work with Novell on ODF import filters for Word. Whether they will see the light of day before Novell get embraced, extended and extinquished is anyone's guess. However, OpenOffice.org can deal well with both the defacto .doc format and ODF so most platforms can do that conversion. There is a French company working on the new XML Word format, import and export of ODF formatted documents as well.

I think your proposal (which, I take, as being to use ODF) is best for you and us. Microsoft must work on interoperability with this format if it is to continue to supply many governmental organisations with MS Office, so some sort of conversion to Word is vital for their future.

Regards
Roy Leith

@Desler

Apparently both OpenOffice and MS Office will support each others formats via plug-ins, so really it comes down to whichever one you find easier to implement.

That said, there will be many more installs of MS Office out in the wild...

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If you are really going cross-platform, I would love to beta test your Mac version. Unfortunately, I do not yet have a NG Amiga.

Aye, same here (Macbook, OS-X 10.4.8).

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Firstly, Microsoft will never open the binary blobs which makes direct support almost impossible.

That's utter rubbish. AFAICT they've documented and opened the entire format this time around.

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Much to the open software community's distress, Microsoft have contracted to work with Novell on ODF import filters for Word.

Again, rubbish. The open software community's issues with Novell/Microsoft are entirely unrelated.

The import/export filters are Open Source (BSD-like License - http://odf-converter.sourceforge.net/ ) and written by Clever Age, Dialogika and Aztecsoft, funded and managed by Microsoft. It won't be bundled with Office - not ideal, I know, but that's is a largely political decision. They probably will if ODF really takes off. Source: http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2006/07/06/microsoft-office-to-support-odf-the-qa/

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Just curious to know how the printer support is.

Ok. Going back to my happy place now.

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@Ferry

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A1-XE@933MHz, 256 MiB RAM here.

Wow! So your 256MB fast mem belongs to the Men in Black guys?

Saludos Ferry

@ssolie
Actually you have already helped me before with various issues. Dont worry I have a ton of questions yet

@corto
Yes I remember our talks of course. I havnt contacted you because I will not start working on the more complex file plug ins before after the release of the first public version. As always your help will be greatly appreciated

@BigBentheAussie
Printer support... Well non-existing as it is now. However that is mostly because I have never written anything regarding printer functions. The system itself supports any resolution and therefore it "should" be pretty easy to write a print function. It is not on my priority list right now, and in any case I will probably choose to wait until the new printing system is in place on AOS4.
I have been wondering whether to include a "save-as-pdf" choice as a temporary solution however it is MOST certain that that will not find its way to the the first public release. sorry

@all
Thank you for all your interest. I will probably ask a lot of questions but I hope that you will enjoy the end product when it is in a more finished state

@Desler

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Uuups this is what happends when you start making mock-ups 12 o'clock in the evening. Actually Im pretty releived that no-one has noticed the Gilmore Girls episode scattered around the desktop of my mac. THEY BELONG TO MY GIRLFRIEND

I wish Alexis Bledel was MY GIRLFRIEND! heehee

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@Desler

Well, are you looking also betatester for 68k version? I have a A4000/060 a little boosted but also a A1XEG4@933Mhz.

So if I can be useful (for example French translation) don't hesitate to contact me on PM.

C U

Nicola

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@Desler

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The timeplan for this project is: Beta version for testers in a month First version for public around the end of january

Cough, its been a month since your post.

I know you said its just for testers, but could you let the non-testers play with it too? Please?

@Desler

Please, please, please, if you do nothing else, add a word count feature to the application. This is such a simple thing and yet almost 100% of "lite" wordprocessors miss it, maybe because they think it isn't that important. Well, to anyone who writes for a living (like I do) it's vital.

Thanks and good luck!