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Why not release a Blizzard PowerPC boards? Posted on 8-Feb-2007 16:29:01
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| Why not bplan or DCE (who is the owner?) release new blizzard powerpc boards? (the old implementation or new up to date ones) if people pay these prices for a second hand, old ones, even if it´s unknow if OS4 will be released for it, imagine how people would pay for a new ones and if OS4 run on it (this is not an isolated case, stuff like this get these prices)
IF they are not interested (is waste a market, i do not understand why they let lose it) how difficult would be reverse engine it and build clones? Last edited by Fransexy on 08-Feb-2007 at 04:31 PM.
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Re: Why not release a Blizzard PowerPC boards? Posted on 8-Feb-2007 16:41:01
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I wish new Blizz PPC boards would be released i would buy one on the spot! About upgraded boards, this is going to be diffecult i think with compatibility from newer chips on older boards. Reverse engineering the board would take up too much time i think.
But IF new boards would be released maybe some ppl can lay their hands on some 604e 350 Mhz versions (can be clocked on 400 mhz) that allready would be significant upgrade on a Blizz PPC compared to 603e 240 Mhz.
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Re: Why not release a Blizzard PowerPC boards? Posted on 8-Feb-2007 16:43:06
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hmmm good point. the rumoured shark springs to mind as a good alternative. _________________ AOS4 Betatester, Peg2, G4@1ghz, Radeon 9250 256mb, 1gb RAM.
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Re: Why not release a Blizzard PowerPC boards? Posted on 8-Feb-2007 16:50:07
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But IF new boards would be released maybe some ppl can lay their hands on some 604e 350 Mhz versions (can be clocked on 400 mhz) that allready would be significant upgrade on a Blizz PPC compared to 603e 240 Mhz. |
Without mentioning that these will be cheaper than the prices of old ones on ebay
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Re: Why not release a Blizzard PowerPC boards? Posted on 8-Feb-2007 16:54:08
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hmmm good point. the rumoured shark springs to mind as a good alternative. |
The point is that current software would run uncharged, Just plug and play like with the current ones, with the shark you need at least a new powerup/warpup library.Not to mention possible licence troubles with OS4
Edit: I forgot to mention that with the shark you need and existing accelerator and a mediatorLast edited by Fransexy on 08-Feb-2007 at 04:56 PM.
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Re: Why not release a Blizzard PowerPC boards? Posted on 8-Feb-2007 16:58:19
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That price doesn't even cover the 68060...
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Re: Why not release a Blizzard PowerPC boards? Posted on 8-Feb-2007 16:58:27
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Is it RoHS compliant?
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Re: Why not release a Blizzard PowerPC boards? Posted on 8-Feb-2007 17:11:41
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That price doesn't even cover the 68060...
Just FYI. |
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Re: Why not release a Blizzard PowerPC boards? Posted on 8-Feb-2007 17:13:23
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Is it RoHS compliant?
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Both the 060 and 603 are RoHS compliant, i don´t know if the rest of the board is, but how difficult would be replace the non compliant parts?_________________ No PowerPC, No Fun Make Amiga Great Again |
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Re: Why not release a Blizzard PowerPC boards? Posted on 8-Feb-2007 17:14:01
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That shouldn't be a problem for a company making other boards with RoHS compliance (which presumably they are). Designs don't have to change very much, their soldering and processing machines might have needed changing, but that should already be in place for their other products so it wouldn't be a big deal... _________________ RobTheNerd.com | InstallerGen | SMBMounter | Atoms-X |
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Re: Why not release a Blizzard PowerPC boards? Posted on 8-Feb-2007 17:22:39
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As a curiosity, i browsed the freescale site and discover that there are versions of the 060 (@75 ) that cost more than some PowerPC G5 Last edited by Fransexy on 08-Feb-2007 at 05:25 PM.
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Re: Why not release a Blizzard PowerPC boards? Posted on 8-Feb-2007 17:29:08
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That price doesn't even cover the 68060...
Just FYI. |
There are various prices and sources to buy for the 060 |
These budgetary prices (>1000) should give you an indication. And then you can try finding some "cheap" MPC603e/603ev. Good luck!
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Re: Why not release a Blizzard PowerPC boards? Posted on 8-Feb-2007 17:36:55
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this means that this thread would inflate even more the price of the blizzards PowerPC on Ebay?? _________________ No PowerPC, No Fun Make Amiga Great Again |
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Re: Why not release a Blizzard PowerPC boards? Posted on 8-Feb-2007 18:10:36
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| @hatschi Were blizzppc parts more expensive in 90's? They must have come down by now, 'cause we need a bunch of new ppc's! :)
Who could manufacture them today? Last edited by Bamiga2002 on 08-Feb-2007 at 06:10 PM.
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Re: Why not release a Blizzard PowerPC boards? Posted on 8-Feb-2007 18:51:39
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It's very possible that some parts used in the design back then are no longer available at all, or that some parts do not have RoHS equivalents. It's very likely that you might as well start over with a new design. ACK's PowerVixxen sounded like a very reasonable idea. Look at the Efika, which it sounded pretty similar to. There's almost nothing there other than the CPU. Add an FPGA to adapt the CPU's PCI bus to the A1200 CPU connector, and there's not much else to do. Emulate the 68K instead of soldernig it. Granted, that isn't necessarily trivial, but it's a lot less complex design work than Phase 5 did. Now, if only we could actually buy anything that's been announced, we 'd already have some "new Blizzards"... _________________ All glory to the Hypnotoad! |
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Re: Why not release a Blizzard PowerPC boards? Posted on 8-Feb-2007 20:48:46
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| i guess we don't need exactly BlizzardPPC coz the old 680x0 cpu would raise the price of the card. For todays situation the best option would be AmiJoe or something like that packed together with AmigaOS4 for some reasonable price.
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Re: Why not release a Blizzard PowerPC boards? Posted on 10-Feb-2007 9:28:08
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| DCE is on the "dark side" now so forget it..
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Re: Why not release a Blizzard PowerPC boards? Posted on 10-Feb-2007 12:40:57
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please grow up
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there's a simple reason why they won't release new blizzard boards, they build new stuff, they innovate, they are not historians nor paleotechnologists.
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Re: Why not release a Blizzard PowerPC boards? Posted on 10-Feb-2007 14:51:38
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they build new stuff, they innovate, they are not historians nor paleotechnologists. |
They are probably just well aware many Amigans would never buy anything from them.
I'm not a historian either but remember DCE's history very well and although many years have passed I still think of them as the worst thief's in Amiga history.
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Re: Why not release a Blizzard PowerPC boards? Posted on 10-Feb-2007 15:23:49
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I would rather leave the Amiga scene than having to buy anything from DCE, thank god I have my A1
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Maybe Eyetech Ltd would be interested to start BPPC production and offer warranty options similar to your A1. That is, if I was you I wouldnt say anything about DCE and their repair services.
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