Elysian Labs

http://elysianlabs.com/

"Elysian Labs is dedicated to the delivery of compelling, high quality software applications for the AmigaDE platform, also known as Amiga Anywhere."

Anyone ever heard of this company? Is it Fleecy? No products but oddly has all the recent Amiga news posted on their site.

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They list a snail mail address on their contact page.

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fairlanefastback wrote: Elysian Labs http://elysianlabs.com/ "Elysian Labs is dedicated to the delivery of compelling, high quality software applications for the AmigaDE platform, also known as Amiga Anywhere." Anyone ever heard of this company? Is it Fleecy? No products but oddly has all the recent Amiga news posted on their site.

Well its over a year later and still no products, yet they've updated everything to say AA2.

They also make a claim that "You can download AA2 games and applications right now direct from the Amiga Anywhere shop for use on Windows PCs and Windows Mobile based smartphones and Pocket PC devices." Yet the titles in the shop on amiga.com that they link to as far as I can tell are original AA1 titles.


Any new thoughts from anyone on whats up with this company? Mapquest shows them being in London basically. I know we have a lot of folks from the UK on here. Whats the word on this firm?

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They're in the outskirts of London indeed, and it looks like a residential suburb, which really give the impression of a bedroom programmer and/or friend of Fleecy. A very small setup anyway :)

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fairlanefastback wrote: @all Quote: fairlanefastback wrote: Elysian Labs http://elysianlabs.com/ "Elysian Labs is dedicated to the delivery of compelling, high quality software applications for the AmigaDE platform, also known as Amiga Anywhere." Anyone ever heard of this company? Is it Fleecy? No products but oddly has all the recent Amiga news posted on their site. Well its over a year later and still no products, yet they've updated everything to say AA2.

It's kind of hard to have products if they require some-one else's product that isn't released yet.

IMHO, this was Jamie Kreuger's problem with AVD as well. Much of his success and continued development relied on Amiga OS4 being sold in larger numbers so that more developers signed up for AVD. Unfortunately, we all know that lack of available hardware prevented the OS4 user-base from expanding.

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It's kind of hard to have products if they require some-one else's product that isn't released yet.

What are you talking about? AA2 has been out for months and months for developers to use. And at least one developer, (ghauber on this board) said he was a beta tester before this general release early in the year:

http://www.amiga.com/news/index.php?art=34

So AA2 has been out there quite a while now.

And a year ago when they had nothing then too, they were an AA1 shop.

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It's Ruksun (aka ADI) North office!

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fairlanefastback wrote: @Hans Quote: It's kind of hard to have products if they require some-one else's product that isn't released yet. What are you talking about? AA2 has been out for months and months for developers to use. And at least one developer, (ghauber on this board) said he was a beta tester before this general release early in the year: http://www.amiga.com/news/index.php?art=34 So AA2 has been out there quite a while now. And a year ago when they had nothing then too, they were an AA1 shop.

"Available for developers" is not the same as available. Until AA2 is available to consumers, any product that requires it is equally unavailable.

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"Available for developers" is not the same as available. Until AA2 is available to consumers, any product that requires it is equally unavailable. Hans

Elysian Labs' website makes them out to be a developer. And they are claiming that there are AA2 based titles already for sale to the public. ghauber made a similar claim about one title as well on this board in one post if memory serves (that there is an AA2 title out).

From the Elysian Labs website:

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You can download AA2 games and applications right now direct from the Amiga Anywhere shop for use on Windows PCs and Windows Mobile based smartphones and Pocket PC devices.

(bold added for emphasis)



EDIT: Here are the links to the AA2 title ghauber said was out:
http://tinyurl.com/6ysw6j
http://tinyurl.com/5eqwsj

Though I still am unsure how one would know the difference bettwen the AA1 and AA2 versions.

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fairlanefastback wrote: @Hans Quote: "Available for developers" is not the same as available. Until AA2 is available to consumers, any product that requires it is equally unavailable. Hans Elysian Labs' website makes them out to be a developer. And they are claiming that there are AA2 based titles already for sale to the public. ghauber made a similar claim about one title as well on this board in one post if memory serves (that there is an AA2 title out).

Of course Elysian Labs make them out to be a developer. I also realize that they claim that AA2 titles are on sale already. However, you have seen none on Amiga Inc's website, and ghauber's links which you provided do not show any available titles either. My understanding is that ZeoNeo's "Invasion" is an AA product, not AA2.

I could of be wrong, but my impression is that AA2 right now is just in the hands of developers. Amiga Inc. has said nothing about it being officially launched to consumers.

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ghauber specifically said Invasion was "ported" to AA2 (presumably from its AA1 version). ghauber also expected to have his first app available out to us in one month hopefully (at the time - months ago) and said he was an AA2 betatester and that he has a contract with AI.

Are you right or are they right? No idea, though I'm guessing the guy under contract should at least be a bit better informed. But the point is, given what they do believe, it seems odd that we have no coming soon anything info from any developer (at least that I can find). Your point was it makes sense they have no apps to claim out there because AA2 is not ready. If anything why would they shoot themselves in the foot saying it was if it wasn't though? My whole point is at the oddness of it all.

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I could of be wrong, but my impression is that AA2 right now is just in the hands of developers. Amiga Inc. has said nothing about it being officially launched to consumers.

When would an SDK ever be launched to consumers as opposed to developers? Not sure what you're getting at, is all.

Anyone can become an AA2 developer by going to amiga.com and filling out the application. I haven't done this myself, but when AA2 was announced as being "available to developers" several people in the Amiga community applied and IIRC downloaded the SDK. You can look up the posts yourself, I think at least one person was on amiga.org. Now, I don't know what Amiga's approval process to become an AA2 developer consists of, and there may be some who are rejected, but I don't think there is ever going to be a "consumer" version of AA2.

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jorkany wrote: @Hans Quote: I could of be wrong, but my impression is that AA2 right now is just in the hands of developers. Amiga Inc. has said nothing about it being officially launched to consumers. When would an SDK ever be launched to consumers as opposed to developers? Not sure what you're getting at, is all.

It's called the run-time library. For example, the Java run-time library is required by Java apps and must be installed by users in order to run apps that developers made using the Java SDK. You don't honestly expect users to sign up for SDK access in order to play AA2 games do you?

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But you are assuming that such software is not bundled with the released app itself and instead is a seperate install like a client. Are you assuming this or do you know it?

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Actually Bill even says consumer products are already shipping for the AA2 platform (at about :42)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klVneMfBuXc

I think I previously missed that. At least it explains why the developers would say the same.

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fairlanefastback wrote: @Hans Actually Bill even says consumer products are already shipping for the AA2 platform (at about :42) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klVneMfBuXc I think I previously missed that. At least it explains why the developers would say the same.

He also says that "it's the next step in the evolution of the Amiga operating-system." Which he later debunked himself. It is true that I'm assuming that they won't bundle AA2 in with titles that need it. However, until someone actually shows an AA2 product that is for sale, I won't believe that products are shipping. If they were, why is there no mention of them on the Amiga Inc. website?

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Hans wrote: He also says that "it's the next step in the evolution of the Amiga operating-system." Which he later debunked himself. It is true that I'm assuming that they won't bundle AA2 in with titles that need it. However, until someone actually shows an AA2 product that is for sale, I won't believe that products are shipping. If they were, why is there no mention of them on the Amiga Inc. website?

For all we know Bill simply has not yet had Ray update the Invasion web page to say "Now updated for AA2!". LOL

I suppose anyone who owns a copy of Invasion from before AA2 existed could order the current version and could compare the executable size and date to get a better idea.

Or someone now familiar with AA2 enough from the programming side could simply determine that with a current copy of Invasion from what it installs in a Windows environment vs. what the old version would have.

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