Bassano del Grappa - Italy - 19 may 2007: Phoenix project and Acube Systems Srl are happy to announce their cooperation.

Phoenix project is a non-profit team of Amiga developers aiming to port various free or dismissed applications or games to Amiga OS4. Current ongoing projects include Firefox, Emperor, VLC, Transmission and others.

ACube Systems, in its continuous effort to support Amiga community and developers, will provide the team svn repositories and development machines where needed.

The team is at work collecting sources of dismissed Amiga applications and free software to convert them to OS4. The resulting conversions will be released for free to the Amiga community.

If you are a developer and you would like to take part to the Phoenix Project please contact us at andrea (at) amigasoft (dot) net and we will give you all the information to join the team.

Source: ACube Systems website

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@elwood

OS 3.x ports also, when possible, please

Glad to see initiatives like this, Go Acube Go!!!!!

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@Fransexy

Well, if there is time and motivation, OS3 ports could happen too.
But for beasts like FF, we shouldn't bet on it

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@Fransexy

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OS 3.x ports also

FFS, why? We don't see Mac forums with people pleading for OS7, OS8 or OS9 ports of OS X software. On the whole, AmigaOS software is years behind OS X, Windows and Linux software - it's never going to catch up if it's always dragging the weight of OS 3 behind it.

Would Love to see FF and VLC on OS4! great app's!

Wish i was a god like programmer

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@RedMelons

I agree!

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@ikir

so do I.

no point in porting to an operative system that has no chance of growing or being updated. so stick with porting towards os4 (assuming that os4 is not killed off and buried of course).

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@ikir

I'll agree with that - OS4 all the way . . . (OS3 is a dead stick)

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@Insanity

One could also say you got that one 180° wrong

@RedMelons

MacOS9 ain't source-compatible to OSX as AOS3.x is to OS4.

OSX has been really available for years (and still is), and probraly runs up more than 95% of currently used Macs.

OS4 on the other hand.....

But than may I guess that this "Phoenix" doen't have anything todo with the Phoenix-mobo for the A1000 nor the Phoenix-developer-consortium ?

Gee, why do people have to be so unimagetive when it comes to finding names

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@elwood

Nice to see cooperation in our community, at last...

Do the Phoenix Project have a website, to see what's going on ?

@Thread

Sounds like an excellent project!

@RedMelons, Ikir, Insanity & Wolfe

Seems like rather an "I'm alright, jack" attitude you've got there.
Since the vast majority of the Amiga community do not have any hardware (or software) access to OS4 it makes sense to at least try for an OS3.x release too, at least until the situation changes.
The assumption being that it is not a great leap from an OS4 port to an OS3.x port.
I suppose ultimately it is up to individual developers whether they want to spend time on an OS3.x port, but I see no reason why Phoenix could not encourage/support the effort if someone decides to do it.

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@Boot_WB

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Since the vast majority of the Amiga community do not have any hardware (or software) access to OS4 it makes sense to at least try for an OS3.x release too

Assuming that the current situation is resolved as quickly as Amiga inc's recent actions and announcements indicate, there is a chance that OS4 will be publicly available well before the end of the year. If someone develops for the older version then that is one less reason for a classic Amiga user to upgrade. Which would be bad for the OS4 community. That is how I reason.

On a side note, I do not own any Amiga at all (except the one in my signature). Nor do I consider myself an Amigan either.

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@Insanity

Maybe a strange question, but what are you doing here then?

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@Insanity

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Insanity wrote: @Boot_WB Quote: Since the vast majority of the Amiga community do not have any hardware (or software) access to OS4 it makes sense to at least try for an OS3.x release too Assuming that the current situation is resolved as quickly as Amiga inc's recent actions and announcements indicate, there is a chance that OS4 will be publicly available well before the end of the year.

Then when (if) OS4 becomes broadly available it may make sense to concentrate efforts and money on OS4 releases, but I would still argue for supporting OS3.x releases where the effort and cost is not too onerous. As it stands OS4 users are a niche market within a niche market.

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If someone develops for the older version then that is one less reason for a classic Amiga user to upgrade. Which would be bad for the OS4 community. That is how I reason.

I personally use both OS4 and OS3.x; I find that method of 'encouraging' users to update to be rather cynical. Surely the reason to upgrade is because the OS is faster, the hardware more up-to-date and applications are handled faster by the newer hardware. If this is not the case, then the upgrade is just a pointless money-spending exercise.

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On a side note, I do not own any Amiga at all (except the one in my signature). Nor do I consider myself an Amigan either.

I am genuinely curious as to why you are on AW.net then? Big fan of Articia-S? (This is genuine curiosity, I am not trying to bait you - if you are not 'into' the Amiga, and do not own one I am just curious why you hang out on AW.net)

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@thread
@moderators

Great!!!

Could this thread become a News item, please?

thank you.

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@RedMelons

Think of 3.* as of what DE aim was, an universal Amiga Layer available for all hardware platforms.

What you and some are implying is that one should cut his feet out just for the sake of it... perhaps still thinking OS4 will take the world by a storm

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@Insanity

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If someone develops for the older version then that is one less reason for a classic Amiga user to upgrade. Which would be bad for the OS4 community. That is how I reason.

What? PPC isn't all that good or OS4 hasn't that much features that won't make it worthing when having the same software available? WTF! That makes one think of the real value of these solutions.

Boot_WB has expressed it very well:
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Surely the reason to upgrade is because the OS is faster, the hardware more up-to-date and applications are handled faster by the newer hardware. If this is not the case, then the upgrade is just a pointless money-spending exercise.

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@pixie

The beginning is a delicate time, so if there are just a few more reasons to upgrade then one person switching, will make a difference to the owners and developers. But once there is a well established user base, it won't matter if things are developed in parallel since os4 will most likely be better than os3 (this is where your arguments fits in).

as to why I am here, hmm...
think of me as potential customer, perhaps someone who believes that great things are done by people in garages, people who still have their spirits unquenched and ideas uncompromised.

You do realize the the current Amiga (classic+new+alternative) community is most likely way to small to sustain several hardware companies as well as software companies?

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Last edited by Insanity on 19-May-2007 at 01:14 PM.

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@Insanity

one thing is sure. It can't be worse than your A500!

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@elwood

GREAT!

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