Now we have the FPGA stuff (Minimig/Clone A) and AROS, why do we need Ainc/Hyperion, can we not just "go it alone" and develop the platform ourselves as a community, or do we have to have slow progress, badly managed companies dictate our future?

WE can save the Amiga platform by leaving the morons who cannot run a business to save their lives to it....


Comments?

Last edited by A1200 on 29-Jul-2007 at 01:55 PM.

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@A1200

Whitout Hyperion, there is no OS4...

sorry A1200 but i can't get what Minimig/Clone A and Aros fits in this scenario!

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@Controller

Well it isn't a million miles from OS3.9, progress is slow and decent OS4 apps, such as a fully working web browser are not coming anytime soon. So, how about :


FPGA A1200 with some nice new PPC cards made by someone who actually does something like Individual Computers or...

x86 baby.....

All running AROS or similar (as long as it is open-source and innovative, I think more AROS developers would come and join in this new idea).

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@Framiga

Build a PPC targeted AROS loader?

I haven't got all the answers, just thought there must be more we can do than just sit here talking about the same old crap, using the same old hardware...

Perhaps we should just watch the court case like good morons or, how about we take the community by the balls, stop moaning and take control of our fate?

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@A1200

are you trying to say "#### Hyperion and who cares about your 5-6 years of hard job"?

Last edited by Framiga on 29-Jul-2007 at 02:36 PM.

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@Framiga

Indeed I am, they are a commercial venture who were under-staffed, under-funded, possibly mis-managed. They are not our friends, they are (supposedly) a commercial entity like Commodore, Escom etc.

In fact: They were contracted to write OS4, they are contractors of another entity and you should not feel anything more than where is the OS of dreams we deserve and not a re-botch of OS3 with hacks. Whether the contract stand or not is not for us as consumers to be concerned with. Where is our products we want to buy? Can't deliver? OK we will do it ourselves!

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@Framiga

I don't think A1200 meant it quite like that.

I think the point is we should look to alternatives. But if after 13 years of nothing no-one has come up with anything - the answer is a certain 'no-chance'.

I'd watch the language too if I were you.

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@A1200

as you already know, they are working on (and they are not the only one)

There are also other companies that are trying (with a lot of efforts and money) to achieve the target. In the mainwhile we can "play" with other system.

We are not waiting for a new definitive cure of cancer or such. Are computers that are supposed to be fun

Take it easy!

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@A1200

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A1200 wrote: a re-botch of OS3 with hacks.

If thats what you think OS4 is, then you are wrong.

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@-Sam-

"I'd watch the language too if I were you."

but you are not me Sam ... the filter screwed up.

Are you so thin skin?

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@-Sam-

You are right but it does lead me slightly off-topic to say:

If Hyperion thought OS4 ownership was bestowed to them because of clauses in the contract why didn't they target the OS to x86. Is it because:

- They didn't really want to circumvent the contract
- They have not got a clue how to put OS4 on x86
- The have no idea how to run a business
- Someone promised them more PPC-based hardware and they believed them

Either way, they messed up badly and will probably go bankrupt because they didn't listen to people like me years ago. Also Amiga Inc deserve to go bankrupt as they have shown no commerical interest in the platform for years. Shame on them.

If either company can show willingness to do the right thing before it's too late (if it's not too late already), I offer to step in and take the proverbial Bull by the horns. Get in touch guys!

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@Framiga

Quote:

Framiga wrote: @A1200 are you trying to say "fuck Hyperion and who cares about your 5-6 years of hard job"?

Wow - surprised that one got past the "bad language filters"

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@Boot_WB

fixed!


@ mods

really the filter doesn't works here

Last edited by Framiga on 29-Jul-2007 at 02:39 PM.

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@A1200

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Build a PPC targeted AROS loader?

Being done as we speak...

#46 Port AROS To EFIKA
#46 Port AROS to SAM440

There's those who talk, and those who make it reality...

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@Framiga

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Are you so thin skin?

Ha! Not likely. Just a friendly nudge.

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@A1200

I tend to agree. Actually, anyone, given enough time, money, and patience
could build an OS that rivals WinDoze, Linux, Mac, OS4, etc. Or, anyone
could jump into a project like AROS and make a big impact. I have signed up
with AROS. As of yet, I have not had a chance to delve into development, because I have other projects I work on: embedded linux in analog synthesizer, Mac applications, etc.

Only recently have I really 'come back' to the Amiga (I owned an Amiga 1000) WAY BACK in the 80's as a teen. Currently, I am messing around with an A500 and trying to get reacquainted with Amigas in general. I would love to pick up with AROS and start using a Linux machine to develop AROS; maybe help in the effort to port it to Samantha (there is a bounty through Acube currently). There are lots of possibilities, but I want to join in something that is already off the ground and running. Seeing other people annoyed with A Inc. AND Hyperion makes me believe that the effort would be worthwhile. The only question is, however, if OS4 does finally see the light of day and runs on Efika, Samantha, etc. then would all of these 'open source' efforts be all for not? Could be.

The Minimig open source project looks very interesting; I am most impressed with what I have read about that.

@A1200,
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Now we have the FPGA stuff (Minimig/Clone A) and AROS, why do we need Ainc/Hyperion, can we not just "go it alone" and develop the platform ourselves as a community, or do we have to have slow progress, badly managed companies dictate our future? WE can save the Amiga platform by leaving the morons who cannot run a business to save their lives to it....

I agree completely. Just think if the last six years had seen as much focus for something like AROS or the Mini-Mig instead of OS4. There might actually have been an increase in interest in the Amiga and in the availbility of Amiga related products.

@A1200,
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Whitout Hyperion, there is no OS4...

It may come as a shock to some, but not everyone feels that OS4 is the "true" Amiga. I don't deny that OS4 is Amiga related, but it's no more and no related to the Amiga than MOS, AROS or the Mini-Mig. All of them are equally valid. There is no "true" Amiga anymore, only what the community chooses to use, and only a segment of the Amiga community that has chosen to use OS4.

@Framiga
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are you trying to say "#### Hyperion and who cares about your 5-6 years of hard job"?

No-one is obligated to Hyperion, no matter how easy or hard their work may have been. They chose the work, they were not forced into it by the user community. Do you support companies out of charity? If anything, individual projects like the Mini-Mig and community projects like AROS deserve more support than Hyperion - Hyperion is supposed to be a business.

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@A1200

I think that Hyperion are community members aswell. What company would want to devote all that time when projected results are surely not going to be great. Remember they went to Amiga and asked to do OS4, not the other way round. Without them AmigaInc would have gone completely for the AmigaDE route.

@pteppic

Totally Agree, I have sporadic contact with Hyperion, as well as reasonable contact with the Developers of OS4, and believe you me, these guys really care about the Amiga, its OS and its users. They are just being dogged by Amiga inc and their misguided actions.

Put it this way, Hyperion/Developers have a proven record of Supporting the Amiga. Amiga inc have not and heck, push comes to shove, Amiga inc can't even boast an A1, let alone a copy of OS4 within their "Empire". The same cannot be said about Hyperion and its contractors

Bottom line: Hyperion/Developers actually understand the platform, Amiga inc don't even own an Amiga between them.

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