@tiffers

There is a developers section at Amiga.com . You probably have to be a registered developer.

There seems to be some confusion on whether AA2 = OS5 or is simply an aspect of it. Remember that Amiga said that they were leaving AA behind for OS5 a few years ago. Now, I'm wondering if they hope to pull out some sort of integration with the real Amiga OS (one of the original plans). Of course, without the lawsuit being settled, they can't promise anything on that front.

Oh well, nothing will come of that in my lifetime, so speculation is just that.

@jorkany

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Concerning AA2, anything Amiga related left in it?

Depends on what you mean by "Amiga related" - there are so many different definitions of that phrase depending on what agenda an individual is pushing. I'm sure there are people who would answer the question in many different ways. I personally have no desire to get involved in the flame wars that regularly arise in the forums about Amiga Inc and their doings. I'm a firm believer in just letting products speak for themselves.

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@fairlanefastback

Regarding Go for Goal and Jami - I really should take down those pages. Especially about Jami, which was tightly tied to Tao/intent and cannot be moved to AA2 in any shape or form (long story, boring details). I was kind of hoping that some opportunity might arise for me to resurrect Jami into a viable product again if someone snapped up Tao's technology with the intent of commercialising it again, but the chances of that are effectively zero now. It's only my laziness that's left those pages there.

Regarding Go for Goal - the current code-base is AA1-based and relied on Jami. I have not yet attempted to move it to AA2 because I've been busy with other projects and because of its Jami dependency is essentially a complete rewrite.

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How long have you been using AA2?

I'm an early adopter, let's just say.

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@ghauber

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ghauber wrote: @fairlanefastback I'm an early adopter, let's just say.

Well its interesting to hear of someone confirming the existence of AA2 as a real product. It would be good to hear your impressions. What has the product itself spoken to you as it were?

Any other developers out there that have their hands on AA2 to help confirm its existence as what Bill says it is?

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@fairlanefastback

Of course AA2 is real. I'm not sure I should say much more, because of NDAs etc. Just remember what Bill said (I think he said this!) that the current AA2 represents a *first step* towards Amiga Inc's future. There are many more steps to go until they achieve their vision.

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I think Bill did a really nice job considering the circumstances of the interview. He managed to tell about AA2 with excitement and joy in his eyes, and the way I see it this boing demo looked REALLY GOOD AND FAAAAAAAST!!!

Looking forward to hear more about it

I reported the site amigasdk.com to bill mcewen yesterday, and he thanked me saying they didn't know about this site. No need to let a site like that hurt future progress.....be it AA2 or OS4/5

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@ghauber

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ghauber wrote: @fairlanefastback Of course AA2 is real.

Well its nice to hear that it is. As far as saying "of course" frankly I am surprised given all of the craziness of the Kent affair, Amiga new machines a no show, millions of $$ from Prokom yielding nothing in years, ADI with supposedly tens upon tens of employees making no products we can see. "Of course"? LOL! Frankly I am surprised, though pleasantly.


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There are many more steps to go until they achieve their vision.

And many years have passed already unfortunately. Lets hope they come up with a viable product before the world has completely passed them by.

Out of curiosity when do you plan to release your first AA2 based product? Are you impressed enough by it to use it as a platform?

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Didn't Jim Collas do a presentation with the slogan "Amiga is Back!" back in the Gateway days?

@fairlanefastback

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Out of curiosity when do you plan to release your first AA2 based product?

Hopefully in no more than a month from now.

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Are you impressed enough by it to use it as a platform?

I have found definite advantages, and also frustrations (as with any platform, I guess). It will be real interesting though to see where it goes from here.

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@ghauber

I have no idea of how to write a programe but a very serius user.
I want to ask as a true Amiga user for many years. Can i expect
the likes of LightWave 3D on this OS? Or Image FX, NLE software
PageStream, to name but few?
I strongly believe alot of people consider the Amiga to be able
to do what it has always been good if not best at. Hence the above.
What's your comment on this?

@Ghanaman

But is it an OS?

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@guvenck

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guvenck wrote: Even the person who makes this short interview seems more excited and more Amigan than Bill McEwen to me :)

I get the impression he thinks this is actually classic AmigaOS in some virtualized form, rather than a completely separate OS-ish thing that merely has the Amiga name slapped onto it. And since Bill hasn't told him otherwise, he goes on assuming that and getting excited about it.

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@Cool_amigaN

But he said[quote]

" we took the OS and virtualized "
So what does that mean?

@Ghanaman

Depends on what OS it is that they virtualized.

I don't think he virtualized AmigaOS as we know it today, but either some other previously-unreleased OS or some sort of "new" OS-ish thing he thinks is a passible substitute, however he deliberately leaves that ambiguous so that those that haven't been watching these things, and thus don't know that AA2 has nothing at all to do with the old AmigaOS, and are only just now hearing about this thing... will get nostalgic about the old AmigaOS, assume that this is that system back again, and show up in droves.

Are they in for a disappointment.

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@NomadOfNorad

Anyway, be it an OS or not can softwares such as Lightwave and the likes that made the Amiga what it was and still is be written for it?
We who want to use the Amiga for seriuse work seem to be forgotten.
Yet things that we do with our Amigas are those that made the Amiga shine. That's why i'm worried.
What do you think?

@ghauber

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ghauber wrote: Hopefully in no more than a month from now.

Out of curiousity how will anyone run it at that time? It would seem we need an AA2 end-user client for whatever particular OS we are running (for which not all OS' are supported yet as per Amiga)(??) And of those they claim to have support for none have been released. Is this a hint that Amiga will release AA2 VM clients before then?

Also assuming for a second you are not writing a freeware app how will end user licensing work from your firm? Can I, because of AA2's main selling point of one code-set, yet run on almost any hardware. Will I have a license to run your program on any hardware I see fit (not at the same time of course)? Or are programs released to the public released for only one platform per license?


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I have found definite advantages, and also frustrations (as with any platform, I guess). It will be real interesting though to see where it goes from here.

Well it will be interesting to hear if any other programmers can verify the authenticity of AA2 and their opinions as well. Anyone else out there besides ghauber who is working with it?

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@Ghanaman

I have no idea what people will make using either the first version of AA2 or its later incarnations.

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@fairlanefastback

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Out of curiousity how will anyone run it at that time?

Just like any other application on their PC or mobile or whatever.

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Also assuming for a second you are not writing a freeware app how will end user licensing work from your firm?

It's being handled by Amiga Inc.

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I don't think AA2 and AmigaOS should be mixed up in any way, nor should AA2 be an upgrade path for current amigans. We're not the target for this product. Most people here want AmigaOS4 and its future descendants. AA2 should not be called AmigaOS (5 or whatever). It is a nice idea and it may get some developers if it's good.

There's nothing for us here, move along.

@yak

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... We're not the target for this product. Most people here want AmigaOS4 and its future descendants. ... There's nothing for us here, move along.

Speak for yourself. AA2 is more interesting technology (to me) than AOS4.