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QuikSanz 
Re: Official AW.Net X1000 Q and A Thread
Posted on 21-Jan-2010 0:08:19
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@tiffers,

In regards to the CPU. It seems as though many different ones are possible. The little "Not Yet" on the MB pic is small. Is there a MEGARAY connector there?

Chris

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Re: Official AW.Net X1000 Q and A Thread
Posted on 25-Jan-2010 12:28:56
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@QuikSanz

To me it seems that the CPU is soldered on the board. I'm 100% sure the connection is far more advanced than MEGARRAY.

But another question:
If the CPU happens to be a PA6T bought from Apple's factory, is it bought in enough quantity to fill all the possible X1000 CPU needs of the next 5 years?

(10 000+ CPUs, otherwise I see Apple as a very risky CPU parner)


UPDATE, another ...:
Is x1000/nemo (system) planned to be one of the developer kits available at http://www.xmos.com/technology/development-kits ?


(if so, we would get some worldwide attention amongs electronics/robotics developers)

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Re: Official (?) AW.Net X1000 Questions Thread
Posted on 26-Feb-2010 12:25:54
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@tiffers

Not really a question, but an opinion :

We all are impatient to have the X1000, (maybe X1200, X600, X2000, X4000, or XC=64, or XCMB ( well, just kidding )) but I think that if we really want to give a blow in the ant-hill it should be delivered with a "finished" compatible softwares bundle.

As you probably already noticed, in articles treating of Amiga NG there is always a negative point : there are no compatible, stable softwares which should compete with the PC/Mac/Linux world.

This new hardware should be the start point for porting great softwares like OpenOffice or FireFox (known as TimberWolf ) or some Linux apps like Abiword, Gnumeric, Konqueror etc...

Nic

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Abiword and Gnumeric: Done and already working! (needs Cygnus) Konquerer: Already done in native version using same engine: Called OWB. Gimp: in progress.(for Cygnus) Amiga-native killer application not available for Windows/MacOSX/Linux: Hollywood 4.5. Really great software!
I think we are on the right way and the current situation is the best since more than 10 years.

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Amiga-native killer application not available for Windows/MacOSX/Linux: Hollywood 4.5. Really great software!


Hollywood IS available for Windows.

http://www.airsoftsoftwair.de/en/prod_hollywood.html

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Re: Official (?) AW.Net X1000 Questions Thread
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@unimon

Quote:
As you probably already noticed, in articles treating of Amiga NG there is always a negative point : there are no compatible, stable softwares which should compete with the PC/Mac/Linux world.


Yes, they are right. From my point of view we do need a native office suite, which also runs fluently on a SAM.... BUT, I REPEAT IT AGAIN (AS ON OTHER THREADS):

Letting SAM/A-One 1000X/OS4.x compete with PC/MAC/LINUX would be a desaster.... I think the envolved parties must not intend to do this.

Startpoint should be a "killer app" / "unique selling point" (Alleinstellungsmerkmal in German). We need an application/software which isn't available anywhere else for the given price/performance ratio. Wether we will be a good target group for that is in question. I doubt it. Nevertheless the unique selling point has to be the whole package (unique Hardware - stable/responsive OS + "killer app"). This means, A-Eon/Hyperion has to find a new target group.
Maybe this produces a sort of kickoff, and maybe the new package will attract more developers and more general attraction - maybe an massive opensource community (like Linux) can then be build around it, and we will see some sort of competing Office products.

Here are some ideas for unique selling point packages:
- kiosk systems incl. Hollywood (which is probably the most modern and best application at the moment for productivity - people are already making money whit this)
- bundled with personal erogtrainer soft+and hardware like seen on www.tacxvr.com (I wouldn't care wether there is a WIN or a AMIGA PC behind my ergocycle trainer.... I have to buy a new PC anyway for this setup).

Just a few ideas, to show what I mean / far from beein analyzed properly....

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@gerograph

Quote:
rom my point of view we do need a native office suite, which also runs fluently on a SAM...


I've just suggested an OS4 native port of Ignition spreadsheet on Amiga Bounty.

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KimmoK 
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Has these questions been sent to A-EON ?

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Re: Official (?) AW.Net X1000 Questions Thread
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@KimmoK

Yes. I have pm'd TrevorDick and also submitted the URL in an email to the A-Eon questions email, as listed in the FAQ page.

I'm sure Trevor would have seen it already, but you can't be too helpful now

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Raffaele 
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I am curious to know the purpose of the FPGA Xilinx 500 present on the motherboard of X1000 as spotted by various people.

It has been stated (in the Puzzle pages of AEON site, or by Rogue in one thread here on Amigaworld.net -I do not remember exactly where-) that this FPGA chip is programmed to drive the two legacy PCI slots @ 33MHz, but seems me strange this legacy driver is not embedded in the CPU SoC controller bridges as long as USB, PCI express BUS + slots and RAM DDR2 BUS controllers...

Any chance that FPGA XilinX 500 could be programmed to perform various other tasks rather than driving the 2 old legacy PCI slots?

(At least could Xilinx 500 be used for other purposes by renouncing using these extra slots?)

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@billt

And there are a dozen other Mac and PC apps that do the same thing as Hollywood. A killer app is one that provides a reason to buy a particular computer over a competitor. Even if Hollywood weren't available for Windows it wouldn't be a killer app....

And ported Linux software that may or may not e up-to-date isn't "killer app" either. When the Amiga came out some truly creative people were recruited and they developed apps that didn't exist elsewhere. But that was a different age.

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@Raffaele

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seems me strange this legacy driver is not embedded in the CPU SoC controller


PA6T-1682M doesn't have an PCI bus but I don't know if it is the only PPC SOC that doesn't. I'm not sure why the board designers would choose an FPGA over an existing PCI-E to PCI bridge chip.

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KimmoK 
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Posted on 17-Mar-2010 13:41:32
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@Raffaele @Rob

x1000 does have a bridge chip. AMD/ATI SB600 can be seen in the nemo board picture.
http://image.ec21.com/image/osstore03/oimg_GC03526464_CA03529558/AMD_IXP600_SB600_218S6ECLA21FG_South_Bridge_IC_Chipset.jpg
http://regmedia.co.uk/2006/05/23/ati_sb600_1.jpg
http://www.a-eon.com/gfx/tease.jpg
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/46155_sb600_rrg_pub_3.03.pdf


So, I think rogue's guess was incorrect, because SB600 has PCI "out".

Then, I thought that the xilinx is connected to the PCI bus of the SB600 and would handle the xena connection.
But.
In the AEON Q&A it was said that xena is connected to the CPU local bus. So, it seems that xena I/O does not go through SB600. And it could be that xilinx is also for something else.

(grazy idea... perhaps xena can program the xilinx FPGA ...grazy idea)

(possible idea ... xilinx could anyway serve some xena/xorro purposes ...possibnle idea)

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Posted on 18-Mar-2010 12:57:54
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@tiffers

Are the PCI slots 3.3V and 5V ?

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@Mechanic

SB600 should be able to handle both voltages.
(unless I'm mistaken when reading x86 boards specs)

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Re: Official (?) AW.Net X1000 Questions Thread
Posted on 20-Mar-2010 16:58:08
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on march 3rd in the x1000 faq trevor wrote:
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To keep the community informed until then, we'll be maintaining a small web presence with information summaries, updates, media, features and so on. Expect that to go live in about a week.


any news on that? the "about a week" is no definitely over ...

thanks and regards...

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@persia

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A killer app is one that provides a reason to buy a particular computer over a competitor.


yep, exactly, this should be the "official" definition of "killer app". Even thought hollywood is an excellent program !

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@Thread


I plan to use the Xmos to make a mouse/serial port so I can use Tornado3d with the Dongle.


Wol.

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Saw this link for YouTube video:

AmigaOne X1000 - What is X?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayPOZfxNzg8

In it a Trevor Dick asks if OK to use this video on their about done web site.

So, does that mean the web site with more data is about to hit the waves?

I am sure ready for something new!

tj

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Nice video

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