There are many good reasons to prefer a Sam460ex over the new hyped AmigaONE X1000;

1. The name AmigaONE has a bad karma
2. We don't have any specs about the main CPU on the AmigaONE X1000
3. ACube was always able to deliver
4. The Sam460ex is cheaper
5. ACube didn't use to play stupid games with their customers
6. You can buy the main board and setup your own custom system
7. It would be a chance to show ACube your loyalty.
8. The system already proofs to run Blender and Iceweasel (Firefox based browser)
9. It is new hardware, no used SoC chips involved.
10. Don't be a naysayer say yes to ACube
11. Don't worry, there will be a perfect working SMP enabled AOS4.x port for Sam460ex, many experienced AOS4 users spotted the hints all over the ACube announcement.

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2.
It's Dual core PowerPC currently clocked at 1.6 Ghz, but might be faster from last FAQ.

4.
Sam460ex is a 1.0 Ghz single core while X1000 is a 1.6 Ghz dual core.

6.
Do you remember some user whit smoke coming out of there computers some years ago? Building computers are not for every one, personal I like computer tested and working.

8.
CPU speed equal compilation time, ideal you be using best software and fastet CPU you can get, Maya for windows but the licence fee is horrible if your not a movie company.

9.
PowerPC460 is SOC chip, its just newer chip whit L2 cache and built in PCI express support, Giga Ethernet, most stuff you find Sam460 specification are in the chip.

11.
AEON X1000 is the only one whit dual core, SMP will only befit users whit dual core CPU's, Sam460ex is a single core CPU.

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AEON X1000 is the only one whit dual core, SMP will only befit users whit dual core CPU's, Sam460ex is a single core CPU.

Pity OS4 won't be SMP for some time to come. SAM460 should be 2x faster then the 440 at less then half the price of a X1000 which will only be shipping with none SMP OS4 for an unspecified period of time. So the X1000 running OS4 will be crippled at half CPU capability for more then twice the price, and the SAM460 isn't an option? Get real.

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For different price points, let both exist.

Acube needs to update SAM440Flex with PCI-Express e.g. I'm running external ATI Radeon HD 3870 card with my laptop i.e. PCI-E 1X (with 16X slot) to ExpressCard.

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@damocles

I don't get way you AROS dudes care, stick to what you like.

X1000 is at least a factor of 1.6 times faster then Sam460ex, even ruining on one core, when AmigaOS4.1 gets SMP support its going to be twice that. Simple mathematics 3.2 times faster whit SMP.

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You know what I one of the early bird buyers back in the day, I invested cash in AmigaONE-XE just after seen OS4 running in AmiGBB in Sweden, whit only a promise that when AmigaOS4 pre release where done I where going to get it sent to me by mail.

So I where using Debian PPC many months before getting my AmigaOS4.0 CD.

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WTF !!..i stopped reading after point 1 ....ok oops I had to edit my initial response as I thought you meant A-EON had a bad karma..anyhow, AmigaOne X1000 has the best karma possible because we Amigans know and trust the compnaies and people behind it

PLEASE stop with these threads as I know personally they are scaring away long lost Amiga users who are truly interested in the X1000

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don't get way you AROS dudes care, stick to what you like.

That's your latest mistake, I've not a AROS dude for a couple of years now.

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X1000 is at least a factor of 1.6 times faster then Sam460ex, even ruining on one core,

Questionable until we see X1000 with OS4 running if it's going to be that much faster running on a single core which is going to cost people over 2 as much as the 460. This is a hobby computer, right? Why spend retarded amount of cash on it when the mearly painful amount will do nearly as well. What apps that the average Amiga person running will be worth $1K USD more then what a 460 can do?

Once SMP is out and stable, then there might be a reason for X1000 purchase over the 460. As of right now, the 460 should run all the apps in reasonable speed for the average users and save them what, $1000 USD or more? I would be willing to deal with a few apps working a bit slower and save myself that type of cash!

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That's 1.6 times the clock frequency. Until the chip is known you won't be able to actually compare speeds.

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I quite happy about my current AmigaONE-XE but more CPU power can be used for.

1.Emulation.
2.Video Play Back
3.Gnash
4.Newer games need more CPU power
5.Rendering
6.E-UAE, Some AGA games needs more CPU power.
7.Compilation time goes down.
8.You can run more programs at the same time.

The amount some one is willing to pay for some thing often equal the amount they can afford to pay, for some its just pocket money for others its a years payment, depending of currency value of country you live and work in, and your social class, tax rates and so on.

Some folks pay a lot of cash for cars, some use the money on holidays and some spend it on cabin up in the mountains, and some folks spend it on geek computers they don't really need.

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Its good to have options. The X1000 is way way more powerful and you may not want to believe it but games are more and more CPU demanding.

For example my Intel Core2Duo 1.7 Ghz, 2GB ram system struggles to play Anno 1404/add on Venice.

Realtime strategy games need CPU power not graphics power for all the building/AI in the game.
It does not matter how fast the operating system is, the game needs to process alot of things and a fast processor is a must.
Without a fast processor you remove the option to play these types of games. Compiling, testing would take unnecessarily longer and fustrate the whole games company and the players.

anno 1404 and Venice

The system requirements are:

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Feb-11-2010 The add on to the popular Anno 1404 (also known as Dawn of discovery in the US) merchant/trading game. Minimum: o OS: Windows XP (with SP3) / Vista (with SP1) / 7 (only) o Processor: 3 GHz Intel Pentium 4 or AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (Intel Core 2 Duo Family, AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+, AMD Phenom or better recommended) o Memory: 1GB (Windows XP) / 2GB (Windows Vista, Windows7) (4GB recommended) o Graphics: 128 MB DirectX 9.0c-compliant, Shader 2.0-enabled video card (512 MB recommended) (see supported list*) o DirectX®: o Hard Drive: 8 GB free space o Sound: DirectX 9.0c compatible o Supported Peripherals: Windows-compliant keyboard and mouse o Multiplayer: Broadband Internet connection with 64Kbps upstream or faster Supported Video Cards at Time of Release: ATI® Radeon 9600 - 9800 / X300 - X850 / X1050 - X1950 / HD 2400 / HD 3000 / HD 4000 / HD 5000 series NVidia® GeForce 6200 / 7 / 8 / GTX 250 - GTX 295 series Laptop versions of these cards may work but are NOT supported.

Do you seriously think the game developer will consider porting to a Sam system ?

No disrespect to the Sam systems which are for the LOW end computer user, but the new AX1000 will have enough cpu power to run this game.

Having a FIXED computer system you guarantee one program or game working exactly the same as the other, especially CPU/GFX performance & stability - this is an excellent move.

I think you worry too much and need to chill out. A plan is in motion let it continue to its goal.

The new Sam is going to be a decent system !

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Teh X1000 and the SAM 460 both have their place!

I might HAVE TO settle for a 460 but I defiantly aim to own the
X1000 and I see no reason why this has to be some kind of
hardware war.....

I mean both are Amiga compatibles that cater to dif entry levels!!

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If its an Amiga Computer you need, then use logic;

A) Start saving some money, or keep it spare and ready
B) When the SAM460 is available buy it
C) When the X1000 becomes available buy it

You can trade, sell, use eBay, upgrade, have 2 machines, almost anything is possible.
A little planning and a few weeks or months worth of gaps and waiting between purchases won't hurt.

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asymetrix wrote: @Arko Its good to have options. The X1000 is way way more powerful and you may not want to believe it but games are more and more CPU demanding. For example my Intel Core2Duo 1.7 Ghz, 2GB ram system struggles to play Anno 1404/add on Venice. Realtime strategy games need CPU power not graphics power for all the building/AI in the game. (SNIP)

It states "Intel Core 2 Duo Family, AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ (2.6Ghz), AMD Phenom or better recommended".

What's your graphics card?

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PLEASE stop with these threads as I know personally they are scaring away long lost Amiga users who are truly interested in the X1000

I'm one of those cautious people who didn't buy an Amiga One. I decided that first year cars always have problems and they are fixed in subsequent years so that is why I didn't buy an Amiga One and I don't regret it.. Software Hut stopped selling Amiga One because they were missing processors.

Having been hurt by con artists, I would say that A-EON has to open up and talk to customers. The fact is, I don't know them. I don't know who they are. I don't know their track record or what country the X1000 is going to be made from. What I do know is that Amiga Inc. disappeared and A-EON appeared. The other fact is secrecy; I don't like it because secrecy is 'often decried as excessive or in promotion of poor operation'. It can mean they don't trust you with the truth. It also means that our relationship is not reciprocol or complimentary. It means that our relationship is a one way street. They take your money and you don't have a right to know. It means they do the thinking for you and they decide what is best for you and you aren't allowed to do your own thinking.

What is wrong with knowing whom we are dealing with? What is wrong with talking? Faith is trust plus a little more. They have to deliver to other Amiga customers before I buy and I have to have peace and I have to observe that Amiga users aren't crying before I buy from them.

What you have to ask is, "Why don't they want to talk to potential customers right now?" What do they have to hide?

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Having been hurt by con artists, I would say that A-EON has to open up and talk to customers. The fact is, I don't know them. I don't know who they are. I don't know their track record or what country the X1000 is going to be made from. What I do know is that Amiga Inc. disappeared and A-EON appeared.

This A-EON FAQ was started just to get the communication going, and to get answers to things people wondered about.

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@Arko

I can understand a title like this on a thread upsets and provocate people.
It is just a matter of time before someone starts a counter thread with an opposite title.

Such as "Why waste time with Sam640ex when we can have X1000 instead" with all kinds of different arguments supporting it.

So with a thread title like this one it is no wonder some see you as a provocateur
and call you troll.

Approving one of the AR's submitted against your post, simply due to the provocating style of your post.

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I appreciate the efforts from both sides but it isn't enough.

It is kind of like this satellite radio company I subscribed to. We didn't listen to it. I canceled and got a confirmation number. I called when I didn't get a refund. A salesman called to get me to re-subscribe and I told him I never got my refund. I called again and they said I never cancelled.

They will all talk to you and car companies install their products but they do hurt innocent people.