@Cass

By looking at game requirements sounds like a bit "not to the full" if possible.
So it will fail as gaming machine too.

If I would be them, I would go to integrated board for "all in case" effect, but again would implement best CPUs and especially integrated GFX, not just something which is already avail. Especially when IBM PC compatibile specs fade in one year.

Unless they will make a new series each year. Good luck non Amigan boys, PC world is hash competition!

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@phoenixkonsole

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If you wan't a good running PPC example take the Wii. The Wii was sold from the beginning without loss.

What a wonderful idea. You just need to be Nintendo, have best selling titles and marketing muscle that could move mt. Fuji.

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And in terms of price/performance ratio it is the "bad choice" for a customer.

Wii never catered to so called "hardcore gamers" so performance was not an issue. It had its own gimmick, it had superb titles and it was marketed well. You can't just repeat that by having weak price/performance ratio. You need the other parts.

People dreaming about Amiga repeating success of any major platform because "it wasn't that good" makes me scratch my head. Amiga have no appeal to generic customer. Lets be generous and say in last ten years there was 5000 Amiga-related items sold. Wii sold 74 millions. XBOX (both versions) sold over 62. Android phones are being activated at scary rate of 300000 per day. Same goes for iPhones. iPad will probably end with 15 millions in the first year. That's almost three times more then number of Amigas sold in its whole existence.

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@sundown

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Finally an admission that the so called "real" amiga is NOT a real amiga.

Right. I remember when we sold first "real Amiga NG", the AmigaOne. It came with Linux and it was failing due DMA bugs. Man, history do repeat itself.

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@BigBentheAussie

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and we have a lot of people and interests pulling against us,

Does that not tell you something?

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That it must be this chip, architecture or that OS. No one agrees on everything. Time to get over it, because to an objective observer it doesn't matter.

If your only intention is to misuse the Amiga brand name then it does not matter, you are only interested in selling a product and you do not care what Amigans people think.

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The OSes are great and all, but they are not actually what a more mainstream audience will want

I tell you what the mainstream does not care about Amiga, they don't buy products because it has Amiga label on it, they buy it because it's good quality and is none expensive; all you get is bit of attention that's all.

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@BigBentheAussie

Still got one question:

What makes your computers unique, besides beeing AIO Keyboard Computer ?

Well, before that, we could ask the question, do we actually need a unique system ?

If you ask me, what AmigaSpirit is about, and how we can have a rebirth, this is my answer:
Amiga is and was always a bit more expensive than x86 systems. In most cases you could either buy a 286 with monitor or a plain amiga (which then was plugged to your TV). But, the Amiga was a great game machine, had windows/easy to use OS included and was a "home" machine. There wasn't any other machine capable of that => unique

Well, we have get rid of all that, and think of another unique selling point, maybe we can have a unique OS and a unique case (regardless of PPC/x86) ! Looking at photos and threads in amiga country, you will recognize, that most cases are somehow nice and unique -> so having a AIO Keyb case is cool. MS Windows is not an unique OS but required, maybe an extremly fast booting OS besides Windows/LInux (guess spending 1 million out of your 30 million advertizing budget, could speed up AROS development) You need a very fast and usable OS for Internet, MP3, DVD Playback, Slideshows/Picturemanagment and Amigaretro(gaming). If you set up a machine with Windows/Linux and Kick Ass AROS incl. UAE you could even satisfy some of these Users here ! As long as AROS/UAE side is nicely integrated. Nobody in mainstream market has a fast booting complete OS (e.g. AROS) - forget about Quickweb, Quicklook, AlwaysON etc... they are all crippled. Guess an "amigaish" System could step into here (at least for home user market).
CUSA should think about how to create (!) an AMIGA Spirit in their devices !

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Hi, Leo, and I take my hat off to any bloke who wants to get off his couch and do something - ANYTHING!.

But I wonder how you are going to describe this box as an Amiga - what market will accept it as such? Obviously not the Hyperion/MorphOS PPC fans. Obviously not the M68K "Classic" fans.

That leaves only AROS fans and new (uncommitted) purchasers. The open-source movement will have to invest several man-years of development into AROS before it even approaches the same level of completeness as say AmigaOS 3.5 or 3.9. Until that stage has been reached, I can't see your market. Even when that stage is reached, you won't have control of the product you are selling.

But then, it's your business, not mine, nor that of anyone else here. My best wishes.

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tonyw wrote: @BigBentheAussie Hi, Leo, and I take my hat off to any bloke who wants to get off his couch and do something - ANYTHING!. But I wonder how you are going to describe this box as an Amiga - what market will accept it as such? Obviously not the Hyperion/MorphOS PPC fans. Obviously not the M68K "Classic" fans.

I think that it is time to gain some new, younger, new generation Amigists.
The old ones are just optimists like all of us. Optimism and being able to play
galaga and run deli player at the same time will not do any good for Amiga.
Nowdays currently top mobile phones are faster that any currently available Amiga.
Sad but true...

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@X86_Amigist

Yeah, and you are going to do that with AROS?

Cell phones are getting better since its a biggest growing industry,
and they are more smartphones and PDA`s, and yes watch out,
they are gonna overrun the CBM USA Amiga specs, too ...

However, its not the hardware that is problem with MOS/OS4,
its the unavailiability of all major OS features and big apps. So you are talking
the wrong story .... However, as far as I can understand both MOS and OS4
are quite mature compared to AROS.

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@vox

No he is going to do that whit Windows7 and PC games that never worked on AmigaOS.

You need to think of this like any normal PC whit any standard Motherboard and sound-card.

myabe we can put a Amiga sicker on the PS3 and Xbox, just think about number of Amiga people we can get then, and we rally need to start to sell t-shears whit PC is Amiga on it.

PS3 whit Amiga sticker maybe we can sell for 10$ more or what do you think?

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WolfToTheMoon wrote: I do suspect Amigas will launch with a custom linux OS.

You think a company that is barely capable of putting together a web site is capable of putting together a customized linux distro?

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The community wants UNIQUE machine designs, not OEM products with Commodore or Amiga stickers on them. Nobody cares if they are manufactured in China or not. Do your best.

@BigBentheAussie

Call Dan Dodge at QNX. Tell them Amiga is ready for them.
That would have Amigans scratching their heads and wallets.

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Call Dan Dodge at QNX.

You also need to call from the past because QNX is part of RIM now, and RIM is going to base their latest iteration of OS on it.

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@opi

The past called back and said they still are in the business of making money. Qnx still licenses and supports their os. You can even download a copy at www.openqnx.com which is free for personal use. Rim's purchase does not restrict them from selling to new markets.

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@vox

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However, its not the hardware that is problem with MOS/OS4, its the unavailiability of all major OS features and big apps. So you are talking the wrong story .... However, as far as I can understand both MOS and OS4 are quite mature compared to AROS.

Depends on what you compare, try comapring USB and 3D for example.

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@Cass

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Cass wrote: @BigBentheAussie Would it be possible to run games such as "Alone in the Dark" with the Nvidia Ion2 card & Atom CPU?

System requirements for Alone In The Dark PC

Operating system: Windows XP SP2 / Windows Vista
CPU: 2.8 GHz Intel Pentium 4 or Athlon 64 2800+ (1800Mhz, 512KB L2)
Video Card: NVidia GeForce 7600 or ATI Radeon X1650 or better
RAM: 1GB
Disk space: 8.5GB

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@phoenixkonsole

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phoenixkonsole wrote: @WolfToTheMoon hmm with 30.000.000$ you can bump AmigaOS PPC to run on XBOX360 based MOBO's.... ask the chinese manufacture to make a small change and it would be cheap. You would have a Tripple-Core PPC monster..... For 30.000.000$ AmigaOS gets SMP and MP and is still not ressource hungry like Linux/Windows.... For 30.000.000 you could ask IBM as manufactur of your CPU's to get support via Transitives QucikTransit..... IBM has bought the guys who did Rosetta.... If i had the money i would go PPC.... but not in the price range the X1000 "may" go. Whatever I buy one : D X1000

Tripple-Core PPC(1) monster(not) with 1.6Ghz L2 cache.

1. IPC worst than Pentium IV.

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@Hammer

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1. IPC worst than Pentium IV.

Atom like performance...

However, the last generation of XBox360 CPU is interesting (integrated GPU etc.). It would be nice basis for low cost computer.

@BigBentheAussie
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@DAX By all means talk to them, but realise A-Eon seem to have nothing concrete to offer any investor at this time that I can see. When they have a working board that has passed beta testing then this may change, but one needs to proceed with caution when one considers that Alan from Eyetech said he would have been better off paying people not to buy the original A1s. New hardware is always a worry, and while Varisys may be a competent engineering firm, that doesn't mean they can be blindly trusted to come up with the goods. I wish them luck, but I'm not about to hold my breath about it. You might, that's your choice, feel free to spend millions. In the meantime we will proceed with our plans

Fine, but don't underestimate this possibility either. Having an Amiga that is a unique computer running the official Amiga Operating System, would be very different than a PC with a linux distro in the eyes of the public. As I wrote earlier with the right numbers prices would fall and a potential "custom designed" Commodore Amiga running the official Amiga Operating system would end up pleasing ex amingas (and alternative computing lovers too) without mixing up with other all too similar offerings (I mean the "me too" x86 market, those are dangerous waters with impossible to beat prices, very hard to justify the extra quids to that crowd, even with custom cases).
Such a machine would retain identity and truly offer something unique. I would suggest both A-Eon and Hyperion too (as I'm suggesting to you) not to discard a potential joint venture.

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@Hammer

That's why I've put the link, but since I`m not very into PC's H/W, how does the Commodore-USA PC compare with the game's requirements?

P.S. Hopefully it should be able to run modern games also (after 2008)!?

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