@amigang

erm, the group doesnt look very active, i dont think its worth to join just to wait for news, you will carry it over here anyway, do you? i still think that all that secrecy doesnt serve the project any good, but well.

@wawa

Why are nda being issued with this hardware?. Are they fearing microsoft or apple or any other company getting profit of them?(Is it that much of profit that Amiga hardware generates nowadays?).
Also the thing of having to buy magazine to get more info is silly too.

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Developing hardware, developing software, making magazines,
organizing shows, all these things costs money, even as little as
it may seem it is still money, so they have all the right to handle it as
they find it is the best way to handle it. I see no problem with that.

The free info that you want will come later when the products are
out to buy and the previews and tests start to come via the internet.

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A beta tester check for issues so you and me don't need too.

There might lots things / problems that needs to be sorted, that general public does not need to know about this problems as they are not in the final product.

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@realize

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realize wrote: 3. Couple more weeks delivery?

Where and when did you read that?

Or is it just some number you like?

@_ThEcRoW

The NDA protects against bad publicity by the beta testers.

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Also the thing of having to buy magazine to get more info is silly too.

I dont think it is, if the magazine cover a exclusive review of the X1000 and OS4.2 it will help sales of one of the last major Amiga mag available, (that covers more than just OS4 info, covers all areas of the Amiga world) if exclusive review is on the net then it wont help anyone. Again with Amiga shows, if more details are promised at Amiwest it might make a few more people attend.

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No need to be confused, Beta testers would of Signed a Non-disclosure contract to be a beta tester. So you wont get any shots or info from them... full stop

That isn't how things really work. The idea is to not disclose stuff without agreement from A-EON and Hyperion first. If there is agreement we can release pics or whatever else we want.

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@amigang
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Again with Amiga shows, if more details are promised at Amiwest it might make a few more people attend.

There will be more juicy details about the X1000 and AmigaOS at AmiWest 2011 so make plans to attend.

What? Too blatant?

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NDA = Protection from Liable from non-employed beta-testers. Beta testers have no right to advertise, comment, criticize and of course realise any source code, bugs, new selling points without hyperion doing so first. All just legal protection.

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In general, betatesters don't have access to any source code. Only developers have access to it.

Of course, there are some devs that are betatesters too...

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There will be more juicy details about the X1000 and AmigaOS at AmiWest 2011 so make plans to attend. What? Too blatant?

Ssolie

Thanks for posting. And I may take you up on that. however, there was very little real news or development at and since last Amiwest. So can you care to explain why that is? There has been virtually nothing from Hyperion regarding new os4 features (based in reality and demoed) and/or X1000.

Not only this but the actual interview was not that professional and there was crazy ambient noise and people talking. That was almost a year ago and not one of the proposed features has ever been shown.

So, what i'm guessing is that maybe update 3 will come out for Amiwest and there will be a lot o talk about Gallium and SMP and other such things that probably wont surface til next Amiwest.

I dont mean to sound so harsh but you are talking to someone who exhibited at ami shows for years and remember all the False hype about SNAP drivers to solve our gfx problems, the supposed Gorky 17 port, and other vapour.

It seems to me that Hyperion is just content with its tiny fanboy userbase as there is virtually no promotion whatsoever. (and please dont include an obscure amiga mag as publicity or this site or others where there is almost no company posts)

Thankfully you have been involved and ppl like Hammer D and deniil and kase1 and other fringe devs that have done so much to help the effort. I mean finally there is blogs and things but they are almost never updated and its virtually impossible for users to interact with the devs.

This is COMPLETE SUICIDE in a niche market! Ppl can say what they want about morphos devs but they respond very well to user base both on forums and on irc. And they are NOT afraid to be challenged.

btw what ever happened to Ben H? He used to be the spokesman what happened there? I mean Trevor who is a hell of a guy but does little to promote the agenda.. except in encouraging statements.

I look forward to your thoughts.. oh and thanks for clearing the NDA thing for some of the ppl here. Its so comical the users here sometimes talk about NDA this NDA that when they themselves probably have never actually seen an NDA or been under one! Yet they speak with complete authority about it. ah the lovely internet!

@persia

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The NDA protects against bad publicity by the beta testers.

There is an element of that as well.. lol

The funny thing is in the real computer world people get PAID TO BE BETA TESTERS not pay to be beta testers ..

@TheAMIgaOne

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NDA = Protection from Liable from non-employed beta-testers. Beta testers have no right to advertise, comment, criticize and of course realise any source code, bugs, new selling points without hyperion doing so first. All just legal protection.

Much more accurate observations but I highly doubt any "beta testers" get source code.. no way.

@realize

True i know as a hardware beta-tester u wont see directly the code but..

As a programmer myself, im thinking more in the way of obtaining code from compiled executable, such as Debug information still in parts of programs, or easily reversible uncompressed exe-code, (eg. gcc without optimization's or debug code removed)

Regarding the knowledge of NDA's, true ive never been under one, but its been a common topic of discussion during my time studying BSc and MSc related computing degrees at university.

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Has anyone done any system tests for performance? Including the os of course ;)

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So, what i'm guessing is that maybe update 3 will come out for Amiwest and there will be a lot o talk about Gallium and SMP and other such things that probably wont surface til next Amiwest.

Did you read this ?

http://blog.hyperion-entertainment.biz/?p=530

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Thankfully you have been involved and ppl like Hammer D and deniil and kase1 and other fringe devs that have done so much to help the effort. I mean finally there is blogs and things but they are almost never updated and its virtually impossible for users to interact with the devs

The external devs you wrote did a great job for sure but it's just a plain flame say what other did or did-not just because you didn't see any screenshots yet

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This is COMPLETE SUICIDE in a niche market! Ppl can say what they want about morphos devs but they respond very well to user base both on forums and on irc. And they are NOT afraid to be challenged.

Switch to MorphOS then

Aniway did you ever see the Hyperion forum ?
It was opened many time ago, wakeup mate !

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@realize

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there was very little real news or development at and since last Amiwest. So can you care to explain why that is? There has been virtually nothing from Hyperion regarding new os4 features (based in reality and demoed) and/or X1000.

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Not only this but the actual interview was not that professional and there was crazy ambient noise and people talking. That was almost a year ago and not one of the proposed features has ever been shown. So, what i'm guessing is that maybe update 3 will come out for Amiwest and there will be a lot o talk about Gallium and SMP and other such things that probably wont surface til next Amiwest.

I think your expectations are a bit high. You expect no delays in feature delivery, fully professional presentations with no background noise, the devs to be responsive to every query regardless of their workload.. and of course, don't miss posting frequent updates..

Remember they are a small company with many fewer staff than other companies in the "real computer world", catering to a small market. If resource constraints force a choice between getting things done, or communicating more, I think they are making the right tradeoff. Don't you?

Given the workload of X1000, and the delays already incurred, I think it should be clear that Hyperion/A-EON have entirely too much to do than to spend so much time making professional vides right now, or sending their devs out on the forums.

Maybe once the X1000 is launched, they'll have more time to devote to those tasks that would be a distraction now.

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This is COMPLETE SUICIDE in a niche market!

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The funny thing is in the real computer world people get PAID TO BE BETA TESTERS not pay to be beta testers

What is your objective? Do you seek to lecture A-EON/Hyperion on how to run their business with the aim of helping them succeed? Is this constructive criticism?

If you find A-EON/Hyperion's business practices to be so unsatisfactory, and would prefer to stick with the "real computer world", then you don't have to buy their products. Vote with your wallet.

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@realize

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This is COMPLETE SUICIDE in a niche market! Ppl can say what they want about morphos devs but they respond very well to user base both on forums and on irc.

No, they don't. Not more or less than OS4 devs - maybe they seem to be more reachable than the OS4 devs 'cos they hang around in IRC channels more often, nevertheless: If they don't want to comment something or speculate about "progress reports" or "feature lists of fothcoming releases" you can hear the same: more or less nothing. Which is absolutly ok for me, btw. And further on, Fab's rather communicative behaviour regarding OWB i.e. has nothing to do with MorphOS - it's his own, personal pet.

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