@Zylesea

i suggest you read it again, as it doesnt effect manufacturers warranty, which in this case is 1 year on 'parts, materials and workmanship'

Last edited by Derfs on 27-Oct-2011 at 09:04 PM.

_________________

Maybe more a Hyperion question.
How come work began on a Netbook port of OS4 when the port for the X1000 isn't finished? I cant help but feel it might of been better for OS4 developers to constraint on OS4 for X1000 first and then move to supporting a Netbook project. (just asking)

Thanks for the Reply so far feel a little bit reassured.

_________________
AmigaNG, YouTube, LeaveReality Studio

@amigang

I don't work for Hyperion, but I imagine that they have more than one guy who can write device drivers...

@TrevorDick

Quote:

I wish! My board is being using by AmigaKit as their test bed. I will receive my board last. I'm not even a betatester (of the X1000) at the moment. TrevorD

Just revisited AmiWest speech at You Tube and heard the same - sound soo strange "not having your own child". But may the last one to get it, be the first

So hope you will be able to enjoy fruits of your investment, thanks Amigaholic, even its not likely I will get one

_________________
Future Acube and MOS supporter, fi di good, nothing fi di unprofessionals. Learn it harder way!

@amigang

Quote:

How come work began on a Netbook port of OS4 when the port for the X1000 isn't finished? I cant help but feel it might of been better for OS4 developers to constraint on OS4 for X1000 first and then move to supporting a Netbook project. (just asking)

Well, dear AmigaNG don`t work for Hyperion eiher, but there is a plenty of time.
OS 4.1u5 will supports X1000 in all but sound and net onboard devices, that might be introduced to OS 4.1 and then full power to OS 4.2 with full X1000 support.

Since X1000 official release is by the end of year, imagine either OS 4.1uX or OS 4.2 will be done by that time. Anyway, nettop is announced for mid next year, so plenty of time do the drivers, no matter nettop will be sold with that version OS 4.1 or 4.2 with its drivers (would like it to be 4.2 y that time with some new features).

What would I like for OS 4.2? Just what S.Solie spoke about in his Amiwest nettop speech that they are working on

Last edited by vox on 30-Oct-2011 at 03:44 PM.

_________________
Future Acube and MOS supporter, fi di good, nothing fi di unprofessionals. Learn it harder way!

@Zylesea

Looking online there does seem to be some disagreement on the application of this directive. Certainly in the UK Apple does not offer 2 year warranty as standard - and they are not necessarily in breach of anything as it's the norm for your statutory rights to be unaffected by manufacturers warranty. Also the directive applies to the seller of the item and does not effect the manufacturers warranty directly.

In any event I was unable to find a definitive legal conclusion to this question by anyone qualified to comment... which suggests it's not clear cut.

The only way I'm aware of to get a 2 year warranty on Apple hardware in the UK is to buy it from John Lewis :)

@TrevorDick

Does A-EON plan to sell bare X-1000 motherboards ?

Especially complete X1000 systems will be very expensive for non-EU countries.

_________________
AmigaOS4 Beta-Tester
----------------------------------
Amiga X5000 8GB Radeon RX 560
Amiga A1222 2GB Radeon RX 550
Sam 460 2GB RadeonRX 550

@TrevorDick

Quote:

I personally thought the news release was very clear. Maybe it's a language thing?

The main issue I and some had about the press release was that it could imply not getting the final real thing (hardware-wise).

And for some reason I managed to miss the posts on this page, including your very good clarifications! I have read it now. Thank you very much. So not a language thing, more like plain old stupidity

I'm satisfied now and will order a First Contact X1000
(I think I need to upgrade my ####ty VISA card though. It has a €1000/week limit )

_________________
- Don't get fooled by my avatar, I'm not like that (anymore, mostly... maybe only sometimes)
> Amiga Classic and OS4 developer for OnyxSoft.

@SinanG Quote:

Does A-EON plan to sell bare X-1000 motherboards ?

When he Trevor been asked, I believe the answer has always been NO.

_________________
Author of the PortablE programming language.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue...

@ChrisH

People want X1000. It's just that it's a bit expensive.
Maybe sending the mainboard and case in two different packages could help. Passing Turkish customs is hard.

I wish X1000 was around $2000.. Only the case and the mainboard. I'm sure many people who won't be buying it would start considering especially if it run OS4.1 well enough and there were some "captured" videos of it in Youtube.

Last edited by Ancalimon on 28-Oct-2011 at 11:57 AM.
Last edited by Ancalimon on 28-Oct-2011 at 11:56 AM.

@Ancalimon

Quote:

People want X1000. It's just that it's a bit expensive. Maybe sending the mainboard and case in two different packages could help. Passing Turkish customs is hard.

My simpathies since its similar situation with Serbia (high import taxes + unreliable custom service). Having the board separate would make it much more affordable, but whenever X1000 was announced it was always spoken of "only complete system"

_________________
Future Acube and MOS supporter, fi di good, nothing fi di unprofessionals. Learn it harder way!

@Ancalimon

Quote:

I wish X1000 was around $2000.. Only the case and the mainboard. I'm sure many people who won't be buying it would start considering especially if it run OS4.

I would buy the bare motherboard for about $1000 to $1200.
I have too many extra components lying around to invest 3 times that in a "full" system.
I respect the decision, but I think it's a bad one, from my point of view.

@BrandonLee

Quote:

I would buy the bare motherboard for about $1000 to $1200.

I doubt the mobo would be that "cheap" even if it was sold alone. That's the price of a 460 board, isn't it?

_________________
- Don't get fooled by my avatar, I'm not like that (anymore, mostly... maybe only sometimes)
> Amiga Classic and OS4 developer for OnyxSoft.

@Deniil715

Quote:

I doubt the mobo would be that "cheap" even if it was sold alone. That's the price of a 460 board, isn't it?

I understand that. Especially since the CPU alone seems to cost alost that.

That's why I think the X1000 is over-specced and over, consequently, over-priced.
Having faster/better machines is always a plus, but in such a small user base, you can't risk alienating the less fortunate (financially).

And this is why I have to exclude the X1000 from my options, sadly.
I can't pay for such a power machine.

@BrandonLee
I don't know why anyone complains about X1000 price/spec. It is intentionally a high-end (and thus expensive) Amiga. If you want something cheaper & less powerful, then I am sure ACube would be glad of your business, the Sam460 looks quite nice.

_________________
Author of the PortablE programming language.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue...

@ChrisH

I'm not complaining, I'm stating my opinion.
I don't feel I have to agree with everything just because it's "Amiga".

Amiga prices were/are always high, even the Sam460 is quite pricey for what it is, IMHO.
(EDIT: not a knock on the Sam, it's just that I won't be paying so much for something similar to what I bought more than 10 years ago [A1].)

I also understand the intentionally high-end bit, I just think it's too high-end, especially the price.

I'm saying I want to buy it, but can't.
And I'm also saying that this hurts the Amiga community. Basically, something had to be done to alienate the minimum possible amount of current users. If too many leave (for financial reasons), what will be left?

Last edited by BrandonLee on 28-Oct-2011 at 04:30 PM.

It seems Varisys is going to develop some QorIQ Pxxxx based product(s), like VM400.
I bet we have those chips also for our niche one day.
I think developer boards exist for P5020, so driver work could be started already...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QorIQ

Anyone knows the P5020 price, I did not find it yet...?

Last edited by KimmoK on 28-Oct-2011 at 05:02 PM.

_________________
- KimmoK
// For freedom, for honor, for AMIGA
//
// Thing that I should find more time for: CC64 - 64bit Community Computer?

@BrandonLee

Quote:

BrandonLee wrote: @ChrisH I'm not complaining, I'm stating my opinion. I don't feel I have to agree with everything just because it's "Amiga". Amiga prices were/are always high, even the Sam460 is quite pricey for what it is, IMHO. (EDIT: not a knock on the Sam, it's just that I won't be paying so much for something similar to what I bought more than 10 years ago [A1].) I also understand the intentionally high-end bit, I just think it's too high-end, especially the price. I'm saying I want to buy it, but can't. And I'm also saying that this hurts the Amiga community. Basically, something had to be done to alienate the minimum possible amount of current users. If too many leave (for financial reasons), what will be left?

Trevor said pretty much the same thing in his talk at amiwest. have a look at that and it will answer a few things. you can find the link in the thread here

_________________

"I think" trying to earn back the invested money in this scenario is not a very good move. If this sunk money can be simply forgotten and X1000's sold at minimal profit, it'd be a much better move and result in more X1000's being sold in shorter period of time. We need a user base. We need a developer base. We need a mediocre CPU (AX1000 have a mediocre CPU at last, and there are no other options) We need more X1000's sold.

If there are enough X1000's, it'll be better for both users, developers and hw makers.

Last edited by Ancalimon on 29-Oct-2011 at 10:12 AM.
Last edited by Ancalimon on 29-Oct-2011 at 10:10 AM.

@Ancalimon

Quote:

"I think" trying to earn back the invested money in this scenario is not a very good move.

Earn back invested money?

Did you watch my AmiWest presentation?

TrevorD

_________________
No, I don't need no reason, I'm just breezin'