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What about an Amiga consortium?

Here's some definition of the word "Consortium":

1. (n.) consortium
a combination, as of corporations, for carrying out a business venture requiring large amounts of capital.

2. consortium
association; partnership.

Etymology: (1820–30; < L: partnership)

3. (noun) consortium, pool, syndicate
an association of companies for some definite purpose

4. Sense: an association, union, especially of bankers or businessmen.

Could a consortium of: AmigaOS, MOS, AROS, Classics, Acube, A-eon, CUSA, Relec, Natami, Classic, cooperate and survive?

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@AmigaBlitter

Nope...

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@amigablitter

But didn't we discuss it many times already and everyone already know the answer ?

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@kas1e

Many poll indicates that the majority would love to see all together collaborate for the same goal.

And yes, we saw similar thread many times (this is part V).

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As i remember there was final points in that threads, like: cooperation can be only beetwen 3d party developers who do their stuff for all the oses.

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people who vote in polls should better be off with doing something they demand from others. contibute to aros then you will have open source to adopt to other amiga brands. thats what i preach. nothing else is within reach.

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@AmigaBlitter

Just start!

Make a website, Links to all the parts involved, write down the targets you have and see what happens...


Just go on... the idea is good... But someone has to start somehow.


It will not be easy to have targets, all will be working on, but its worth to try it.

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@wawa

I agree with you for once, people need to do more doing and less demanding.

Well apart from the aros bit You don't need to code for ARos to be open source though. My UCLogic driver is for OS4 and still open source, and based on a previously open example.

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@thread

If all Amiga-like OS/hardware teams would join forces, then...

1. Competition would end leading to less fights withing the community, but also leading to stagnation of development (no one fighting to be the best Amiga OS).

2. We end up with a cross-over hardware solution for an interim period. The crossover has both x86 and PPC costing upwards of $2500 USD for a base system. Not to worry though, once everything is in native x86 code, we can all buy a $50 PC and put our ConglomerateOS on it.

3. Amigaworld.net activity would stagnate as people would be on the same page... or move to MooBunny.

Before anyone flames, this was posted in jest (I think Franko is influencing my sense of humor). I realize that competition would still exist between the unified AmigaOS and Windows/Mac/Linux as an impetus for development making point #1 irrelevant. I also realize that specialty PPC PCI cards exist making point #2 irrelevant. With that said, I think the competition between MorphOS, AmigaOS, and AROS can be helpful in terms of striving for the best product.

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@broadblues

by no means i demand you to work on aros! ;)

when you open your sources it is a good move anyway, whatever platform. i only think as aros is open by definition and tries to be possibly most compatible beyond os3.x also to os4 of mos it is the best common denominator.

but whenever i see thrads like that about cooperation and stuff without any down to the earth ideas, i always suspect behind "cooperation" people want to demand of coders for other platforms to support them. this is mostly 68k and os4 users apparently, dont think ive seen aros people going around about it, most certainly no mos.

@ original poster: what concerns cooperation, take kas1e as example, who has proven that what you want to have (porting essential software from mos) is perfectly possible if you set a clear aim.

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@PhantomInterrogative

...and....

finally we will see opportunity instead of insignificance differences.

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Hasn`t this been tried, not that I have anything against it?

http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/1999players.html

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@PhantomInterrogative

I don't think so.

As a FreeBSD Developer I can say, that we are not in competition with anyone.

And our OS has a real fast development speed!

Important ist the amount of developers working on it, not competition between the different OS - nobody cares about that -> every Developer-Team is doing their own thing.

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@AmigaBlitter

Yes the idea is old, but the different egos of all is very difficult will get join us to work.

Quote:

cooperation can be only beetwen 3d party developers who do their stuff for all the oses.

Or between OS developers sharing and not hiding code, this will hardly happen with Hyperion or the MorphOS team, so join AROS.

If you not a coder contribute here: http://www.power2people.org/projects/overview/

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@AmigaBlitter

Do you think that a simple poll on a forum can change any commercial decision from Hyperion or anyone else ?

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@samo79

Dunno, really. Just trying. After all these man known each other since time, and some are friends since time. I don't hope that they starts just now to get along and singing together, but at least start thinking about that this is an opportunity, not a challenge nor a competition.

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If we had a brainstorming (etc) site with as trust worthy community voting/poll system as possible, perhaps we could show Hyperion (and alternatives + HW manufacturers) our common desires.

If they see that 90% of their userbase agree on something (for example priority order of OS features R&D), it might have effect.

And if we manage to keep the speecs civil, perhaps even the most sensitive devs would dare to check the poll results.

And it might be that the community will also go with the OS that manages to follow the path of community's desires.

Really, the Amiga past has been so poor mainly because of bad management (or because of the lack of management), we should have some way out of it. Sooner rather than later.
(in the long run, if AROS manages to become the most advanced and usable of the three NG systems, this management issue perhaps becomes solved, and no one will then use AOS4 or MOS any more... but I would love to give the AOS the best chance as long it's not the worst option there is)

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Quote:

Could a consortium of: AmigaOS, MOS, AROS, Classics, Acube, A-eon, CUSA, Relec, Natami, Classic, cooperate and survive?

No.

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@AmigaBlitter

Oh this again? Most of the parties mentioned are going to survive,
and if they don't they'll have no one to blame but themselves.

Cooperation is already happening to the level that each
party decides for themselves. The posturing and red tape generated
by consortium political and coercion techniques aren't going to help
anybody in the extended "amiga community"...

There's nothing a consortium can do, that an individual player can't do
with their greater individual freedom to exhibit leadership that others
choose to follow out of their own free will and interests.