@SpaceDruid

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"I've got a theory about why Manchester United are playing badly this season"?

actually that would be a theory with more available data points than creationism.
scientifically speaking.

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Here's a question.... If God made us in his image and we've evolved since he originally made us. Did God evolve? Clearly Christianity teaches we're not the same as God. So, perhaps he's the pre-caveman diety stage.

@jkirk

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jkirk wrote: @Franko after all the republicans in the us has a track history of being gay and opposing anything resembling gay rights. top 10 anti-gay politicians who were caught being gay probably the tip of the iceberg.

Jeebus freekin christy...



Now I aint no oil painting but with a face like that it's hardly surprising he's gay, I mean even a blind womans guide dog would barf at that ugly mug, come to think of it, I doubt even the ugliest gay bloke would go near that, think he must be a hermaphrodite...

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@BigD

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Where does it say in the Bible about the Sun going round the Earth?!

There are paragraphs about the sun standing still and going backwards. The lack of the word "apparently" seems to lead to some Bible afficionados taking it literally that the sun goes around the earth - as it appears to do.

The wonder is why Christianity was so against advancement and the discovery of the true behaviour of planetary orbits.

In fact the Bible says very little about anything. Galaxies were totally unknown to the omiscient God of the time. Nuclear power never gets a mention yet it exists, we use it to generate electricity and without the nuclear fusion going on in the sun none of us would be here.

The Bible does not mention the internet either yet so many of the Church of Our Souls (say it aloud) seem to have no problem in using it to spread their FUD.

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Do you expect the Bible to read more like a physics book?

Not at all. Which is why I wonder you Creationists do. You seem to think it tells us about the universe and how we got here. Yet in reality it tells us bugger all about anything other than the paranoid and violent history of some middle eastern tribes.

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I pointed out that UK school science curriculum tend to teach the Big Bang Theory as if it were fact. I'm surprised your happy to concede that it's just a theory and hence creationism is just as valid a concept to be taught in schools.

The Big Bang is the best theory we have at the moment, a pity about the name which was given to it by the supporter of the opposing Steady State theory and it stuck. As for creationism that is nothing more than a joke, not even a theory. It is a tale from times when people knew next to nothing to try and explain things, it was probably OK for the time but it is now well past its believe by date. A fairy tale from a very old book that tells us practically nothing about most of the things we experience in everyday life now, is hardly a basis for a rational explantion of anything let alone the origins of humanity and other life on earth.

Just because some deluded ignoramuses believe in Creation does not mean it should have ANY part in proper education.

"For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."
(Matthew 10:35-27)

So much for family values according to the big guy. He /She/It obviously never ate a Chick-Fil fast food junk meal with proper Christian Family Values.

BTW. Why do Christians limit the all powerful, all seeing entity to a male gender ?
Rather arrogant of them to dictate what a God should be.

@BillE

And BigD still hasn't said what colour of skin God has.


Edit: Found this on a random wikipedia page which explains the scientific language for BigD since he's having problems. I thought it was better put than anything we said.

"The word theory in the theory of evolution does not imply mainstream scientific doubt regarding its validity; the concepts of theory and hypothesis have specific meanings in a scientific context. While theory in colloquial usage may denote a hunch or conjecture, a scientific theory is a set of principles that explains observable phenomena in natural terms. "Scientific fact and theory are not categorically separable"

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@BillE

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BTW. Why do Christians limit the all powerful, all seeing entity to a male gender ?

The Bible itself references God as a he/him/his. The names of god, Yahweh, Shaddai, Elohim (and more) are again all male names. The Bible empowers the men and plays down the women. As such the leader of leaders must be male (Bible logic right). For example in Genesis God makes man then derives woman from his rib. Again setting up the power structure of men over women. And the New Testament continues to back this up. For example First Cor. 11 – “A Man is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man: for neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man" A bit later around 14 God commands women to be silent and not take positions of power. ... And finally I'd add that Judism, Islam, Christianity appear to have more traits of a patriarchial societies than matriarchial.

@BrianK

But what colour is he?!!?!

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@SpaceDruid

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But what colour is he?!!?!

Well if the Mormons are right he's a blonde haired, blue eyed 6 1/2 foot tall white male with his own planet.

@SpaceDruid

Jesus was from Israel, a Jew and hence probably had middle eastern tanned skin. Why does it matter?

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@BrianK

Cool, the Space Shuttle. Endeavour made its LAST FLIGHT on the back of a 747 a few days ago. Thanks for the picture. If it wasn't for the passion we have to explore the wonder of God's creation and the reverence and respect most American's still hold for God, I doubt the USA would ever have traveled to the moon or developed the Space Shuttle. Thanks for the picture! Here's another nice one. Off topic obviously but you seem to set the agenda at the moment.

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I also liked the Cape Canaveral level on Outrun 2: Coast to Coast with the Space Shuttle in the background. It did however have a lot going on and was the only level that was a bit laggy on the PS2 version. Happy times. Thanks BrianK. God made us apart from the other 'animals' to do amazing things like reach out into space for the good of humanity and inspire future generations. These endeavours don't make us bigger than God though. We explore creation but we can't create it ourselves. Food for thought.

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Back on topic; here's an interesting article by a UK barrister highlighting how current 'Equality' legislation is trumping any notions of tolerance in our society to the detriment of everyone.

Spiked: In the courts, equality trumps tolerance

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What discrimination law does not and cannot do is come to the aid of those who suffer from a lack of tolerance.

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@BigD

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This is the liberal elite trying to force their stupid half baked ideologies on the rest of us

Self opinionated, self righteous self appointed arbiters of divine opinion have been forcing your stupid, half baked ideologies on to the rest of us for the last fifteen hundred years, and now that we have something called education we are rejecting your claims to be the personal mouthpiece of some omniscient, omnipotent deity. The fact that we no longer grant you a privileged position does not mean that you are the victim of discrimination.

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Back on topic; here's an interesting article by a UK barrister highlighting how current 'Equality' legislation is trumping any notions of tolerance in our society

It is true that these four people were sacked for their beliefs. They were sacked for believing that the rules that apply to everybody else, did not apply to them. The four people in this article are not being discriminated against, the only thing is that for the first time in a long time, they are no longer the recipients of special privilege to ignore the rules that others are required to obey.

These people are not being prevented from holding religious beliefs, they are just not being given carte blanche to ignore the rules that the rest of us have to follow.

Just out of curiousity, has the message penetrated yet? Taking privilege away to establish equality, is not persecution. This is persecution, and it was stopped by the secular authorities. Of course it is easier for you to see the persecution here because the victim was a christian, but your attitude is very much the same as that of the this quote from the article "“The cleric of the mosque has been oppressed. He is not at fault. He is innocent.” Sound familiar?

Your pathetic little picture makes the claim that "God has provided the only way". Where is your e v i d e n c e for this ridiculous claim? If your 'evidence' is the bible, just be aware that other faiths have their own holy books that are every bit as (in)valid as your own. In fact many of them are better since they have not been so thoroughly amended, bowdlerised, compromised, diluted, edited, falsified, and so on up through the alphabet. Also I and others have asked questions that your book will not, or most likely cannot answer. You still haven't said who it was that Cain married. Was it his sister, or somebody from a neighbouring creation?

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It is true that these four people were sacked for their beliefs. They were sacked for believing that the rules that apply to everybody else, did not apply to them. The four people in this article are not being discriminated against, the only thing is that for the first time in a long time, they are no longer the recipients of special privilege to ignore the rules that others are required to obey.

That's your opinion but hey your not a qualified barrister are you? It is clear that Lillian Ladele could have been accommodated as I'm sure an Islamic employee would have been. It is not the law to force people to act against their conscience. Doctors don't have to administer abortion killings and neither should registrars be forced to preside over Civil Partnerships! Same-sex marriage will only make this prejudice against employees with religious conscience issues worse! Tolerance, common sense and accommodation where possible should over rule these totalitarian 'equality' laws that's for sure!

You haven't fully come to terms with the fact that homosexual marriage is NOT a human right yet have you? Get over it. No one wants this change not even homosexuals as demonstrated by George Michael, Christopher Biggins and even Rupert Everett & Sir Elton John himself expressing doubts as to the morality of homosexual couples parenting. This is deeply unpopular and it will be David Cameron's, Alex Sammond's and even Stonewall's bridge too far.

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@BigD

I'd be willing to believe that Nimrod is a barrister over your claim to be a geologist any day...

AC

@AndyC

Says you who wouldn't know an igneous rock from an ignorant bigot

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However Richard Reeves, the former Director of Strategy for the Liberal Democrat leader, says: “Here’s the thing: they are bigots”.

'Wolf in sheep's clothing' the Lib Dems, give them an inch and they'll lock up all the Christians, abort all our babies, euthanise our pensioners and tax all the rich people off to Monaco! That and lie as to whether they think people who are pro-marriage are bigots or not!

THIS covers the issue concisely.

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@BigD

If you'd been paying attention, you'll recall that I did a year of Geotechnical Engineering and Geology as part of my Civil Engineering degree course.

My dad's also a geologist and retired geography teacher.

Ergo, I know exactly what an igneous rock is.

And, for that matter, what a bigot is, which you've ably demonstrated these last 57 pages.

Foolish boy.

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@BigD

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Jesus was from Israel, a Jew and hence probably had middle eastern tanned skin. Why does it matter?

You said God created man in his image. If God created man in his image, then we'd all be the same colour.

This is a pretty fundamental part of what you believe. If God is creating Australian aborigines, Chinese nationals and white Europeans etc, then how can God be creating man in his image? Man comes in many images, if you are saying middle eastern tanned skin and you don't look like that, then God didn't create you.

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