@BrianK

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Exodus International no longer believes in praying away the gay - interesting video on a religious organization that no longer sees homosexuality as something that's 'cureable'.

You've twisted that. They are admitting that they can't make homosexuals straight by showing them heterosexual pornography and other 'sinful' approaches to counselling. What is entirely possible is that practising homosexuals can learn to pray away their lustful thoughts and live a celibate lifestyle. Despite that Exodus International President Alan Chambers has struggled with same-sex attraction in the past and yet now he is entirely devoted to his wife and finds her attractive! So homosexuals do get to get legally married, it's just that they marry people of the opposite sex the way it's always been!

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@BigD

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You've twisted that

I see you couldn't be bothered to watch the VIDEO or read the page. Instead Exodus is focusing on "as ways to build relationship and respect between LGBT and Christian communities"

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Despite that Exodus International President Alan Chambers has struggled with same-sex attraction in the past and yet now he is entirely devoted to his wife and finds her attractive

He also said he has same-sex attractions that he's choosen to not act upon. He didn't become straight. He is a bi-sexual who chooses his wife rather than someone else.

Praying doesn't fix the gay. In this case it covered it up.

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So homosexuals do get to get legally married, it's just that they marry people of the opposite sex the way it's always been

So this is for what then? The tax savings? The ability to bring kids up in family where both parents long for a relationship that's more fulfilling. I'd venture to say 20 years in a unhappy 2 opposite parent household will be more damaging to the children than 20 years in a happy 2 parent same sex household, I can't think of anything more destructive to marriage than your want to encourage people who aren't into each other to get married. W W!

@BigD

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BigD wrote: [quote]You've twisted that.

Bit rich that coming from a a guy who twists more things than a bunch of folk on a 70's night out dancing to a certain old Chubby Checker soundtrack...

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What is entirely possible is that practising homosexuals can learn to pray away their lustful thoughts and live a celibate lifestyle.

Are you for real !!!

Why not try getting cheating married heterosexuals to pray away their lustful thoughts, or you local neighbourhood serial killer to pray away his murderous thoughts, wife beaters, child molesters and better still bigoted, intolerant and just downright nasty folk like yourself to pray away you hateful and disgusting thoughts...

I often wonder if you speak the way you do here in your everyday real life or is this the only place you feel safe to do so and spread your hatred...

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@BrianK

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I'd venture to say 20 years in a unhappy 2 opposite parent household will be more damaging to the children than 20 years in a happy 2 parent same sex household, I can't think of anything more destructive to marriage than your want to encourage people who aren't into each other to get married. W W!

And yet Alan Chambers would say he is happily married so I don't really get what you are trying say. He chose to get married finds his wife attractive and so by your own parlance is "into her". Although he may still struggle with same sex attraction from time to time, he is devoted to his wife and wouldn't cheat on her. Do you think this is an isolated incident

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@Franko

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and better still bigoted, intolerant and just downright nasty folk like yourself to pray away you hateful and disgusting thoughts...

Maybe you should take your own medicine and pray away your disgusting, venom filled anti-marriage ranting... just a thought

You despicably seem to want children to be deprived of a mum or a dad and want children to be indoctrinated at relationship classes at school that marriage is no different to any other relationship thereby dismissing it as irrelevant! Nasty liberal agenda stuff that will lead to inequality, more broken homes and more sexually confused adults. Lovely, welcome to the dream of a progressivel and liberal society

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@BigD

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And yet Alan Chambers would say he is happily married so I don't really get what you are trying say.

if someone is having attractive feelings about people of the other sex then their gay is not 'fixed'. They choose to ignore it. So no the pray away the gay didn't truly work even for him.

@BrianK

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if someone is having attractive feelings about people of the other sex then their gay is not 'fixed'. They choose to ignore it. So no the pray away the gay didn't truly work even for him.

He's married and is attracted to his wife and not interested in casual sex with men. That my friend is classed as the prayers for the feelings of same sex attraction to be removed being answered! Praise be to God!

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@BigD

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BigD wrote: @Franko [quote]Maybe you should take your own medicine and pray away your disgusting, venom filled anti-marriage ranting... just a thought

Perhaps your right it may sound disgusting and venom filled to you but I'm not "anti-marriage" it's fine if you want it and value it, I personally don't and simply see it as a bit of paper that is mainly for legal reasons and totally irrelevant to your commitment to someone...

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You despicably seem to want children to be deprived of a mum or a dad

Care to point out where I have ever said such a thing !!!

Your imagining things now that I have never said or posted here, getting desperate now eh...

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and want children to be indoctrinated at relationship classes at school that marriage is no different to any other relationship

You really have lost your mind, care to point out where I ever said that either...

Honestly with these things your imagining your reading it's really in your best interest to seek psychiatric help ASAP...

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thereby dismissing it as irrelevant! Nasty liberal agenda stuff that will lead to inequality, more broken homes and more sexually confused adults. Lovely, welcome to the dream of a progressivel and liberal society

Hmmm... I've been called a lot of things before but never a "Liberal", not sure how to take that to be honest but I'll get back to you on that one...

Can't say I've ever met or known a sexually confused adult before but I have met a lot of incredibly confused religious and intolerant fanatics like yourself, happily though most of society just feels sorry for your type and we let you rattle on until the men in white coats come and take you away...

Don't think it'll be too long now before we read about you in the papers or see you on the news as you finally topple over the edge big time... (be nice to put a face to the mental picture I have of you)...

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@BigD

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What is entirely possible is that practising homosexuals can learn to pray away their lustful thoughts and live a celibate lifestyle.

Correction - what is entirely possible is that people can be pressured into suppressing their sexual behaviours and end up so thoroughly damaged that they end up never being able or willing to enter into a sexual relationship.

That, sir, is abuse, not the work of any deity I care to recognise.

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He's married and is attracted to his wife and not interested in casual sex with men. That my friend is classed as the prayers for the feelings of same sex attraction to be removed being answered! Praise be to God!

Not true. What you have there is a bisexual man who has married a woman. From your own account of things, the man is still occasionally attracted to other men, and presumably like anyone else with heterosexual feelings also has been known to find other women attractive too, but decides to have a monogamous relationship with a particular other person, who is a woman he has married.

Again this disproves your slander that non-exclusive-heterosexuals don't do monogamy.

There is nothing remarkable about this state of affairs anyway - the problem is that if this particular bisexual had instead made the critical emotional connection with another male, your society would prevent this from being recognised.

He would be a human being, attracted to one person, not interested in casual sex with anybody else, but barred from declaring this by your prejudiced, discriminatory little society. Which strikes me as an inappropriate use of state powers.

Of course we're putting forward a logical, reasoned point of view to a man who, despite an alleged geology degree, believes in the creation myth, the Flood and the cohabitation of dinosaur with man, so I doubt this will sink in any more than the statistics that disproved your opinion did.

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Franko's Quote: You despicably seem to want children to be deprived of a mum or a dad

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BigD's Quote: Care to point out where I have ever said such a thing !!!

The redefinition a marriage will obviously lead to more children being without either a mother or a dad that one is obvious. More family units with either two men or two women obviously leads to this eventuality.

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I personally don't and simply see it as a bit of paper that is mainly for legal reasons and totally irrelevant to your commitment to someone...

At least your honest. You openly want to sideline marriage and don't see the point of it. The other liberals here are attempting to paint this redefinition process as a promotional tool to up marriage numbers by opening it up to a new pool of eager 'same-sexers" What they fail to accept is it would no longer have a special position as the special building block of society, rightly raised above other types of more casual relationships. When teachers start teaching that Daddy can have a "stay over buddy" that is comparable to having a mummy then I think marriage will be well and truly irrelevant to the large majority of the "live in sin/common law marriage" brigade and their children. This is the destruction of marriage we're talking about not an equality debate. For the good of families, children and society at large this misdirected social experiment must be halted before it goes any further.

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@T-J

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and presumably like anyone else with heterosexual feelings also has been known to find other women attractive too

He never said that, only that he struggled with homosexual feelings but now only has eyes for his wife. There is no talk of bisexuality, that has come from your own warped way of processing this. It is an answer to prayer in that it is evidence of occasions when their is a removal of unwanted homosexual feelings and the development of feelings for a marriage partner.

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@T-J

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so I doubt this will sink in any more than the statistics that disproved your opinion did.

The statistics were evidence to the contrary of the evidence that I gave in the form of polls and statistics. Any GSCE Secondary School History student would be able to tell you that your limited evidence has not disproved my hypothesis as it takes a wealth of evidence in order to reach a proof. Your 'opinion' is that my polling data is flawed and my opinion is most of the Stonewall Scotland sponsored polling has been decidedly unreliable. Case in point is an occasion where they have disregarded "Not Sure" responses and recalculated percentages having rejected a large portion of the polling!

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... a complaint has been lodged with the Market Research Society (MRS) – the polling industry watchdog – over a recent poll for Stonewall Scotland by YouGov which purported to show two-thirds (65 per cent) support gay marriage. In publishing the poll results, Stonewall Scotland failed to disclose that they had removed the 11.6 per cent of people who said they “don’t know” whether they support gay marriage or not. Misleading This artificially inflated the support for gay marriage, and gave a misleading impression of public opinion. The complaint also says that people were hit with a barrage of 20 questions about bullying and harassment of gay people before they were asked whether they supported gay marriage.

That my friend destroys the perceived authenticity of these pro-liberal and pro-gay rights agenda sponsored polls! At least the Coalition4Marriage don't have to blatantly fiddle the number to prove they have the majority viewpoint!

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@Thread

And here is the great Scottish public making their voice heard outside Renfrew Town Hall, where a Scottish cabinet meeting was taking place. They are clearly showing the out of touch SNP Government that they can't ignore democracy forever. 64% of the Scottish consultation respondents on the Redefining Marriage issue were against the idea and yet the SNP attempt to push it forwards regardless of what the majority thinks!



Full article HERE

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@BigD

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BigD wrote: @Franko The redefinition a marriage will obviously lead to more children being without either a mother or a dad that one is obvious. More family units with either two men or two women obviously leads to this eventuality.

Your wrong, completely wrong...

Your parents don't have to be married to have a mum & dad so what on earth is the redefinition of marriage got to do with anyone having a mum & dad !!!

I wasn't married I had a partner but my daughter never grew up not having a mum and dad because I wasn't married...

You go on about same sex couples being the cause of children in future not growing up with a mum and dad but plenty of kids for various reasons grow up already without either a mum or dad for a variety of reasons and none of them are because of same sex couples, divorcees, widowers, broken marriages, split relationships etc...

Your fixated on blaming everything os same sex couples, when already those problems you say the kids face are created and exist via heterosexual couples or rather the division of them...

As for the rest of your post, I have never "lived in sin" I am not religious and therefore such a silly word or labelling of my lifestyle means nothing to me nor does it apply to me, as it's simply the view of certain people whom try to label others to fit in with their strange beliefs but at the end of the day don't actually count or matter to those they try to label with such silly made up views...

I think it's ridiculous and wrong to teach children anything about religion or marriage in any school. Neither of them are compulsory nor necessary in life, you don't have to be religious to live a decent life and you don't have to be married to bring up perfectly happy & healthy children with both a mum & dad...

So no matter what your views are on marriage or religion the simple fact is they are nothing more than concepts created by mankind but they are certainly not a natural part of life and both are unnecessary for any human being to lead a perfectly happy, healthy and decent life...

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@BigD

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BigD wrote: @Thread 64% of the Scottish consultation respondents on the Redefining Marriage issue were against the idea

Selective posting again I see...

Tell me... that 64% amount to what figure exactly and how many people were actually asked whatever the question was that the 64% on their placards claim !!!

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Of course we're putting forward a logical, reasoned point of view to a man who, despite an alleged geology degree, believes in the creation myth, the Flood and the cohabitation of dinosaur with man, so I doubt this will sink in any more than the statistics that disproved your opinion did.

And just as you predicted, your argument flew so high over his head that the people on the International Space Station heard it.

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@BigD

I ignored this thread after the 3rd or 4th page, but I thought I would have a look tonight. You are a sad act BigD. I wonder what happened to make you a closed minded bigot and a religious nut. Were you born into a strict religious family or were you lacking something in your youth that made you believe in all this stuff you come out with?

When I look at how divided people like you and I are from each other's idea of normal/right/moral etc. I do think we need to draw a line down the middle of the planet and keep to our own side. I am reasonably tolerant but your affection for god or whatever you might call it and your interpretation of social correctness is so so wide of mine I actually think you and others like you will be the destruction of the human race.

Learn science, discover real wonders of the universe, don't populate your mind full of rubbish you cannot substantiate with evidence. You and your kind will bring Armageddon with your militant view of the way of the world.

I hope something happens to you to rid you of hatred towards people who are different and I hope that somehow, someday you become an atheist. You should know that wanting you to not believe in mumbo jumbo and crap that people wrote down a few thousand years back isn't the same as you trying to preach that shit to me and others. Why? Because you are putting your imagination onto others, I would be trying to say you can't interpret reality based on ideas without evidence.

I have all the cards here and you have nothing but a loosing argument, I fear you will win with all the other people who would rather die than conclude there's no chance for teir scripture and supposed moral guidance can be anything other than bronze age myth. Bring it on! Hopefully the people of science can save the human race from your wicked kind.

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@A1200

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Learn science, discover real wonders of the universe, don't populate your mind full of rubbish you cannot substantiate with evidence. You and your kind will bring Armageddon with your militant view of the way of the world.

Nice idea and yet a lot of scientists are Christians, so the whole science versus religion thing falls flat. Tell why you think the big bang, M-theory and the Anthropic principle are more compelling THEORIES to you than the fact an ordered universe requires a creator?

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I wonder what happened to make you a closed minded bigot and a religious nut.

Lots of people value 'marriage' including quite a few homosexuals. The aggressive drive to redefine it seems to be coming from foaming at the mouth liberals rather than sad homosexuals deeply distressed at not being able to get married. Strange hey? Maybe it's got something more to do with a behind the scenes 'Liberal Agenda' to sideline marriage and attempt to rewrite our country's core ideals the thereby weaken the very fabric of the UK's society.

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@Franko

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I wasn't married I had a partner but my daughter never grew up not having a mum and dad because I wasn't married...

Good for your daughter but statistically unmarried couples are more likely to split up especially before the child is even 5 years old. By discouraging people to get married by undermining marriage in this country you will cause less children to have both a mother and a father. That is true inequality! Socially engineering single parent families and prioritising same-sex couples adopting children that would be better off with married couples who can't have children.

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@BigD

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BigD wrote: @A1200 Nice idea and yet a lot of scientists are Christians, so the whole science versus religion thing falls flat. Tell why you think the big bang, M-theory and the Anthropic principle are more compelling THEORIES to you than the fact an ordered universe requires a creator? Lots of people value 'marriage' including quite a few homosexuals. The aggressive drive to redefine it seems to be coming from foaming at the mouth liberals rather than sad homosexuals deeply distressed at not being able to get married. Strange hey? Maybe it's got something more to do with a behind the scenes 'Liberal Agenda' to sideline marriage and attempt to rewrite our country's core ideals the thereby weaken the very fabric of the UK's society.

OK just because a human being, a person with faults and not all the answers happens to have a profession in science, doesn't make them some kinda poster girl/boy for what is true and what is not. If I discovered DNA but believed in the tooth fairy, it doesn't mean because I have written a scrutinised scientific paper on DNA, the tooth fairy is likely to now exist...

... what if I had created a cure for polio, but was a serial killer. Because of my science credentials is killing people now ok?

As for the liberals trying to sideline marriage. Why would they consciously want to do that? Many of those people you talk about are probably married and perhaps they might just want all people to be treated equally? There's a thought...

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