@pavlor

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At least that was original intention of Bill McEwen in 2000...

whoever cares what this guy's intention was....
and acts accordingly.......................
must be........... ... ..... . .
out of his mind, id say.

as for me i prefer hard facts over intentions, and commodore amiga 4000 on my studio desk is such a fact.

and now lets flush this quarrel

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@wawa

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out of his mind, id say.

We all are a little bit crazy. Me, I´m still loyal to Amiga.Inc, Itix predends his Mac is his Amiga and you agitate for stone-age-outdated OS on decade dead CPU architecture.


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and now lets flush this quarrel

What would be Amiga community without eternal quarrels and bitter rivalry?

@pavlor

I always read your posts and have always respected them, but one day you'll have to explain to me what factors concerning Amiga Inc. inspire loyalty.

#6

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@damocles

CommodoreUSA Amigas don't run AmigaOS so are jut overpriced Linux boxes. They did not even included Amiga Forever so emulation was left up to the customer to figure out. Calling them a real Amiga at this point is an abomination and their poor sales reflect this. Customers are savvy and know engraving the name Amiga on a case does not = an AmgaOS system. It's common sense they are no longer available. I doubt they even sold as many units as the hard to get X1000. The C64x was the height of CommdoreUSA's success if you can call it that. After that it was all downhill.

Feel free not to believe it but you'll be almost alone if you can't face up. CommodoreUSA Amiga's are the New Coke of the Amiga industry. And just like New Coke they had poor sales and were discontinued.

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@number6

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one day you'll have to explain to me what factors concerning Amiga Inc. inspire loyalty.

ermm, i guess he has to accept ainc as authority in order to call amigaones "amigas". quite simple. :P

@pavlor

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-outdated OS on decade dead CPU architecture.

but thats what amiga actually is!

@wawa

Hehe. Cannot argue with that. It's almost our defining characteristic

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@thread

meanwhile, Freescale released SDK to help who wants to migrate to multicore PPC, with sdk, tools and other instruments. Maybe our Kernel guy can have a look at this if can help.

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@cdimauro

you sound very much like that fella that started up merlancia (same undeniable charm and wit) in the day of coldfire amiga stb's are you related to him?

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actungbaby44 wrote: @KimmoK Well just reading when xbox 720 will use ppc cpu Sony ps4 will use amd though Also why is it that my xbox 360 can have decent web browser and people being saying for years Oh to diffcult to run x 86 code on ppc hello seems run fine to me , are they using emulation ? My playstaion 3 browser is okay but not the best have to admit xbox one is better

"Our semi-custom APUs already have a number of confidential high-volume design wins in place" - recent guidance statement by AMD's CEO Rory Read.

Notice the "design wins" indicates more than one. We already know Wii U doesn't use AMD APUs.

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@number6

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I always read your posts and have always respected them, but one day you'll have to explain to me what factors concerning Amiga Inc. inspire loyalty.

It is quite simple. When Gateway2000 buried AmigaNG, I thought all was over. Then Bill McEwen and co bought Amiga and I gained new hope. Sure, they miserably failed, swindled/deceived and even robbed all around. However, what Bill did in 1999/2000 is enough for me to remain loyal after so many years of broken promises.

@wawa

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ermm, i guess he has to accept ainc as authority in order to call amigaones "amigas". quite simple. :P

That is valid point. However, not all Amiga (or Amiga branded) computers fit in my narrow definition of "Amiga" (eg. Amiga computers from Commodore USA). My broad definition is wide enough also for MorphOS or AROS.

@pavlor

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My broad definition is wide enough also for MorphOS or AROS.

i prefer to refer to everything by its actual name. i refer to os4 as os4, to morphos as morphos and to aros as aros, even if it runs on an amiga.

@pavlor

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what Bill did in 1999/2000 is enough for me to remain loyal after so many years of broken promises.

but what does it actually mean to be loyal to ainc and bill today? either its just words or some action must follow. have you supported ainc by downloading some snowman builder or other of their products?

@cdimauro

As Italian and AmigaOS 4.x developer and user, I usually read all your Amiga related articles on www.appuntidigitali.it and let me say I don' t really like the fact that you always throw mud on everything regarding the modern Amiga both hardware and software sides.

It seems to me you have a special interest to do this, perhaps you get paid for the purpose, do you?

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@pavlor

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and you agitate for stone-age-outdated OS on decade dead CPU architecture.

PowerPC has been dead for 8 years now (at least for desktop, there aren't PowerPC machines faster than 2005 ones)

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@Massi

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It seems to me you have a special interest to do this, perhaps you get paid for the purpose, do you?

Seeing conspirancies everywhere is not good. Cesare's "special interest" is just wisedom: he has to talk to common people who buy computers for what they cost and what they can offer, in terms of price/performance ratio and software availability (with software being the one produced by professional software houses for productivity purposes, not the one you can get from Aminet, to be clear). There's absolutely no rational motivation to buy an Amiga-like system but nostalgy and will to be "different", in a way others can't simply understand. Then, the fact he is a true Amigan of the first era, and followed everything it happened in this community (including all fanatism, flame-wars, fanbiyism and such), and may feel some bitterness about all this mess, can explain something more.

That said, he just reported what actually happened: Freescale, maybe the last serious company endorsing PPC after IBM, has switched off development of their PPC lineup to concentrate over ARM. It's a sad, sad news for PPC, but are Cesare and IT sites supposed to hide it, just to avoid hurting you and the Amiga community in general? The blow to PPC comes from Freescale, not from Cesare di Mauro, and I am not the only one who found the subject of this topic... well... just silly.

@Massi

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perhaps you get paid for the purpose, do you?

ywah, right, id suggest microsoft, intel, mossad, cia, north korea, kuba, atari, fsb and bnd as possible suspects!

@wawa

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i refer to os4 as os4

What OS is that?

8th generation of Windows 8
7th generation of Windows 7
6th generation of Windows vista
5th generation of Windows xp
4th generation of Windows 2000
3th generation of Windows ME
2th generation of Windows 98
1th generation of Windows 95
0th generation of Windows 3.x

MacOS7
MacOS6
MacOS5
MacOS4

I really hate when people short down names, did you know there is Linux distribution called OS4? and OS\2 from IBM. Is Microsoft rewriting history again or can't they count

Stick to the full name or else we don't know wtf your taking about.

And before some suggest we should stop using the numbering system what comes before lepoard or lion, is that the snale or monkey?

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And no powerpc is not dead, as it was pointed out Arm is mostly 32bit CPU's, while Power is 64bit CPU's besides the embeded stuff, ARM is greared at Multimedia mobile devices, while PowerPC at other devices, there are lots of software and products in the market that has to be supported for years to come.

The PC is not dead, and will exist as well, tables are incressing but they are not workstations, and if you like to have a gaming pc, you really need a better graphic card.

I agree that the PC market might be coming smaller, as more and more devices can do what the PC does, like the Smart TV, or Smart Phone, or the Tablet PC's, I think most peaple have one of etch anyway.

There are peaple out there that don't use the PC for anything else then paying invoices, some thing they can now do on there smart phone or smart tv if they like.

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