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Banana Pi - is nothing sacred Posted on 6-Sep-2014 15:37:07
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| Well it had to happen sooner or later, but the Chinese appear to have cloned the Raspberry Pi and added to it - so now we have the Banana Pi.
Slapping a 1GHZ - ARM Cortex-A7 dual-core, 1GHz, Mali400MP2 GPU and 1GB DDR3 DRAM onto it does help performance wise over the Raspberry Pi, and it has kept a similar size form factor. _________________ Test sig (new) |
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Re: Banana Pi - is nothing sacred Posted on 6-Sep-2014 16:36:58
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Re: Banana Pi - is nothing sacred Posted on 6-Sep-2014 17:14:38
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Re: Banana Pi - is nothing sacred Posted on 6-Sep-2014 19:20:38
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Before Banana Pi there has been many many more similar size but cheaper and better ARM based systems on sale. RPi is old and dated design but thanks to hype it is still selling (?). _________________ Amiga Developer Amiga 500, Efika, Mac Mini and PowerBook |
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Re: Banana Pi - is nothing sacred Posted on 6-Sep-2014 19:34:31
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for a out of date computer it the raspberry pi as sold over three million units raspberry come out two year ago to sale over 3 million not bad _________________ maybe i am dyslexia
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Re: Banana Pi - is nothing sacred Posted on 6-Sep-2014 19:55:25
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It is not bad at all, indeed. _________________ Amiga Developer Amiga 500, Efika, Mac Mini and PowerBook |
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Re: Banana Pi - is nothing sacred Posted on 6-Sep-2014 22:11:47
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| and it is certainly faster chips than any classics, definitely the new amigas (but they lack a nice friendly os isn't it).
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Re: Banana Pi - is nothing sacred Posted on 6-Sep-2014 23:38:31
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Re: Banana Pi - is nothing sacred Posted on 7-Sep-2014 20:33:44
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and ihave to say my pi is awesome and five times quicker than my prize amiga's, brian |
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Re: Banana Pi - is nothing sacred Posted on 7-Sep-2014 22:20:07
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| i think this is more interesting :)
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Re: Banana Pi - is nothing sacred Posted on 8-Sep-2014 1:46:29
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But that is $192 (around £120).
The point of both the Raspberry Pi and Banana Pi is that they are very inexpensive (RPi around £20, BPi around £45) but feature enough to be a useful starting point to code on and do things with.
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Re: Banana Pi - is nothing sacred Posted on 8-Sep-2014 2:34:28
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What's next... the coconutPi?
Thought recently about an RPi or beagle board for some projects, but with this new MIPS board I'm thinking native AROS port. :)
Free limited release to developers only to start and no word on pricing yet. I hope it's cheap, but I'd still please anything under $100 (£62)
Edit ... Opps, too late
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Re: Banana Pi - is nothing sacred Posted on 8-Sep-2014 6:08:36
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yup i know i hav the rasperry pi B ;) but the nvidia is a dev hardware probably the consumer one day will be moore cheaper :) Last edited by tlosm on 08-Sep-2014 at 06:09 AM.
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Re: Banana Pi - is nothing sacred Posted on 8-Sep-2014 6:21:49
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| @tlosm The jetson price is ok. The hardware is on par with low end pc's (amd) and the gpu supports real OpenGL. Basically a real arm PC.
The only mistake is that the I/o ports are not placed in a itx way.
There is also the odroid xu for around 180€. This has a quad a15 + another a7(for saving energy)
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Re: Banana Pi - is nothing sacred Posted on 8-Sep-2014 14:12:23
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The Raspberry Pi already has Quad Core competitors.
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_Steve_ wrote: Well it had to happen sooner or later, but the Chinese appear to have cloned the Raspberry Pi and added to it - so now we have the Banana Pi.
Slapping a 1GHZ - ARM Cortex-A7 dual-core, 1GHz, Mali400MP2 GPU and 1GB DDR3 DRAM onto it does help performance wise over the Raspberry Pi, and it has kept a similar size form factor. |
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Re: Banana Pi - is nothing sacred Posted on 8-Sep-2014 14:26:00
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_Steve_ wrote: Well it had to happen sooner or later, but the Chinese appear to have cloned the Raspberry Pi and added to it - so now we have the Banana Pi.
Slapping a 1GHZ - ARM Cortex-A7 dual-core, 1GHz, Mali400MP2 GPU and 1GB DDR3 DRAM onto it does help performance wise over the Raspberry Pi, and it has kept a similar size form factor. |
I had to search my brain but I would at least like you to look at two different alternatives:
http://hardkernel.com/main/main.php
They have a Quad Core Raspberry Pi.
The other company is Olimex and they already have a dual core ARM board with at least a four core board coming out in September.
https://www.olimex.com/ |
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Re: Banana Pi - is nothing sacred Posted on 8-Sep-2014 16:26:16
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Well a Banana Pie does sound nice. In fact, the fruit is more popular here than the pie, so I would't mind seeing some raspberries inside a disc. |
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Re: Banana Pi - is nothing sacred Posted on 8-Sep-2014 16:30:29
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But that is $192 (around £120).
The point of both the Raspberry Pi and Banana Pi is that they are very inexpensive (RPi around £20, BPi around £45) but feature enough to be a useful starting point to code on and do things with.
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True but I think the learning path for people who haven't upgraded their skills is going to be hard because no one explains anything. In other words, they think we know something when they are teaching and we don't know because we're learning so we miss what they are trying to teach us. I bought an Idiot's Guide to learning C and the book was worse than my class on Pascal.
I think there is a learning curve to higher operating systems.
Microsoft Small Basic is a free download and it looks friendly for kids to learn. In the 80's there was LOGO and Pilot being offered to kids. When I was in college, they taught Turbo Pascal by Borland and now it was a free download.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/beginner/ff384126.aspx
When people have moved on from the Raspberry Pi, what are they going to use? It is going to be like finding a Commodore 64 all over again except there will be fewer people to teach it. http://smallbasic.com/
Python for Kids: http://python4kids.wordpress.com/
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Re: Banana Pi - is nothing sacred Posted on 9-Sep-2014 1:39:49
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The ODROID units are rather nice - even if the octacore model is as expensive as the nvidia dev board mentioned earlier in this thread.
Learning any programming language can be a complicated process. The basics of most are easy enough to grasp, but like learning a foreign language - they can become complicated very quickly.
There is a drive now to get more people computer language literate - so even if they cannot code, they have a better understanding of what the code itself does. _________________ Test sig (new) |
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Re: Banana Pi - is nothing sacred Posted on 9-Sep-2014 2:02:14
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The ODROID units are rather nice - even if the octacore model is as expensive as the nvidia dev board mentioned earlier in this thread.
Learning any programming language can be a complicated process. The basics of most are easy enough to grasp, but like learning a foreign language - they can become complicated very quickly.
There is a drive now to get more people computer language literate - so even if they cannot code, they have a better understanding of what the code itself does. |
Coding is a lifestyle or hobby. Unless people do it every day, I doubt they will remember it. I met a lot of people in college who took programming who had no computer or clue how to program and the instructor let them figure it out for themselves or bug me.
On the hardware or chip level, it can be daunting because they really have to learn the architecture and something simple like making a VGA pattern on a screen from scratch can be far beyond their reach:
NTSC video signal generation demystified
http://sagargv.blogspot.com/search?q=ntsc+demystified
If you learn C, it can take the average user two years just to learn the architecture of the machine.
Computers or Engineering is a multiple disciplined area of study where you might have to read a book every couple of years just to keep up.
Because magazines like Compute! or Compute's Gazette doesn't exist today, there really isn't any full time tutor to teach kids today on the level that it takes to teach programming. I learned programming at home, at high school and college and they were still teaching me skills that are obsolete today and I still feel far behind because of the cost and I went broke and they don't realize by the time they learn it all, computers will be obsolete in three years because hardware manufacturers make their money by selling something new because no one wants the old hardware anymore which makes it a very expensive cycle of learning. It is funny because computer clubs use to teach programming and now they teach seniors how to get on the internet. |
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