Hi everyone :)
With the current situation concerning Hyperion ,
I suggest we start a Kickstarter fund-raising for Amiga OS 4.2 !
Don't know if we need permission from Hyperion .
Maybe its a bad idea i don't know but desperate times calls for desperate measures!
I hope Trevor can help too :)

Last edited by Paladine on 15-Feb-2015 at 06:20 PM.
Last edited by Paladine on 15-Feb-2015 at 06:18 PM.

@Paladine

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Maybe its a bad idea

Without doubt.

@Paladine

Sounds like a misguided idea to me. Also, what's wrong with waiting for the outcome of Hyperion's appeal, before trying to formulate crazy rescue plans?

@pavlor

could you ellaborate on that? :)

@Rob

nothing crazy about raising money , this is how small projects gets realized these days :)

@Rob

Agree. We need to chill a bitand see what was behind this news and the counter-argument from hyperionmp.

But in a worst-case scenario, I'd support a fund-raiser

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@Paladine

LOL

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@Paladine

If you got the OS3.1/3.5/O3.9 source and wanted to develop for 68k, I would be a top supporter. PPC? No way, soo expensive, no real advantage.

As for desperate times.... I wouldn't call this news desperate, how quick did you think the next OS4 version would take to be released if Hyperion weren't declared bankrupt? I would say nothing this year, next year doesn't look good either.

If Trevor and co get hold of it, chances are things will happen a little quicker. But we know how long the court case went on between Amiga Inc and Hyperion (fighting over worthless assets to boot), who knows how long it will take them to get their mits on the cash.

My prediction is Trevor will rescue Hyperion with a cash injection for a large stake in the company, eventually buying the other shareholders out, and incorporating Hyperion into A-Eon.

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Paladine wrote: Hi everyone :) With the current situation concerning Hyperion , I suggest we start a Kickstarter fund-raising for Amiga OS 4.2 ! Don't know if we need permission from Hyperion . Maybe its a bad idea i don't know but desperate times calls for desperate measures! I hope Trevor can help too :)

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@Paladine

I dont think there is need for permission from Hyperion.

You could put up a kickstarter even for Windows 10 without asking them basically, as long as you are able to prove that the kickstarter funds truly are going to windows 10 in some meaningful way.

For example, you could put up a kickstarter for windows 10 in way that if campaign funding becomes succesful, then all the money would be donated to microsoft for helping make windows 10.

Naturally you couldnt promise on kickstarter campaign that the money would actually be used for developing windows 10 without microsofts permission, only that they will be donated in such way that you believe would benefit windows 10 development, as the actual development of windows 10 or the actual usage of money by microsoft is out of your control.

@Bugala

You couldn't do this at all, because Kickstarter wouldn't allow it. How could you made good on rewards based on pledges? You wouldn't end up with boxes of Windows 10 boxes if you gifted money to Microsoft (unless you had permission first).

So, don't be silly, of course you would need permission from the copyright holders to have a kickstarter project in their name.

If you wanted a general collection that you give them, fine, but Kickstarter's platform will not achieve what you want here, unless Amiga OS4.x goes into oblivion when Hermans finally admits defeat. Unlikely as the assets will be sold or the 2009 settlement would return OS4.x to Amiga Inc to re-contract out or develop in-house.

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@A1200

Kickstarter reward can be as simple as "I supported windows 10 through kickstarter campaign" - sticker.

So i doubt there is legally any problem using kickstarter for that. However, it is possible Kickstarter themselves could use some sort of broad clause like "we can decide not to accept/cancel some campaign based upon our own will". I suppose they might have one like that. But legally speaking, Shouldnt be no problem as long as you make sure you promise nothing and dont claim to be owner of anything. You are free to donate money to anyone, except to illegal things like terrorist groups.

@Paladine

i have even a simpler idea and realistic too. why dont you approach hyperion owners and just offer them some of your money. go ahead!;)

@Bugala

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You are free to donate money to anyone, except to illegal things like terrorist groups.

Donating money is not the same as starting a kickstarter campagn to collect money. Whoever starts the campaign is responsible for fees, taxes and perks. And I wouldn't trust some random guy to actually hand over the money to the AmigaOS developers if the campaign is a success:)

@wawa

I think im just gonna ignore you...

@Paladine

thats a pity, since you could have been successful this way and also show some real commitment.

@Britelite

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And I wouldn't trust some random guy to actually hand over the money to the AmigaOS developers if the campaign is a success:)

I probably wouldnt either :)

Plus not to mention, that even if that random guy would deliver the money, who says the developers use it for developing it in the end. They never committed to anything. It is just some random guy who decided on their behalf, without theri consent to collect money for something they might not even be in need of.

Was just pointing out that from legal perspective AOS4.2 campaign could be doable on some money collecting platform, not necessarily kickstarter, but power2people or some other maybe.

Legally I believe it is doable as long as you use clever wording (never claim to be owner or delivering anything), but is there any point in doing something like that is completely different matter.

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@Bugala

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Legally I believe it is doable as long as you use clever wording (never claim to be owner or delivering anything), but is there any point in doing something like that is completely different matter.

But still, considering Hyperion is a company, wouldn't it be easier to give them money by buying the software they sell? ;)

@Paladine

i certainly appreciate the sentiment, but no kickstarter is required. AOS4 development continues, including the new features planned for AOS 4.2. i'm sure if hyperion needs additional funding, they'd let us know. in fact -- as you're already seeing partially in this thread -- the very idea of a kickstarter merely serves as a focal point of derision and point scoring by those who would just assume see hyperion and AOS4 disappear into the mists of history.

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@eliyahu

Hi eliyahu!
I agree with you and thx for the uplifting post !

@Britelite

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wouldn't it be easier to give them money by buying the software they sell? ;)

exactly!

By buying couple of extra copies of AOS4 FE, I am sure will motivate the further development, not to mention that if you buy it from somewhere else than directly from Hyperion, then although Hyperion will get less from each copy, it will once again inject (those few) stores to keep buying AOS4s to their store shelves, maybe even more than they can sell.