@jaokim

I did notice that after giving it to UnArc. But there was still a mess of files. With PC linefeeds so still as easy as loading in an old DOC file and stripping out the text.

@KimmoK

That's quit an interesting idea there. Almost like a Siamese System. Good idea!

If we could virtualise another OS on OS4 we could run Linux on it. Or run a Linux App if we a LINAE. Linae Is Not An Emulator.

@CygnusEd

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When I have some time I will create an update of this package.

Thanks that will be great.

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But I guess you are not interested in using AmiCygnix anyway??

It's that I'm not interested, I am, but it's just the nature of how it operates on OS4. Don't get me wrong, I can see you have put a lot of work into porting it and the installers. But AmiCygnix loads up its own desktop which looks like a Linux desktop. And the programs look fake since they don't use a native GUI. And are also a bit slow. And on the OS4 side are loaded from funny bat files. For some reaoon no real work has been put into enabling OS4 to easily compile 3rd party applications into a proper OS4 version.

Timberwolf is another example of this. Lots of work to port, too much I think. But in the end it still isn't a proper OS4 application. I installed AbiWord on XP. Loaded it up, looks like a native Windows program and the speed matched. Why isn't it like this on the Amiga? Windows isn't another UNIX clone, as popular as it is, and yet the Linux sources for Abiword compile into a Windows program. So annoying!

@Hypex

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But AmiCygnix loads up its own desktop which looks like a Linux desktop

GTK+ has an own backend for Windows, so it can use native GUI elements. It would be great, if we also would have a GTK+ backend for OS4, but I don't have the time and the knowledge to create one - and I'm afraid noone else will.

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Timberwolf is another example of this. Lots of work to port, too much I think. But in the end it still isn't a proper OS4 application.

And QT has the same problem. There is simply not enough manpower to make it perfect. We must be happy with the things we have.

BTW: You can also launch Abiword standalone without the desktop. Go to "Cygnix:Software/Abiword-2.8" and click on "Start_AbiWord_Standalone.bat".

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@CygnusEd

Thanks for the tips. I read about the standalone feature. Works well. I loaded up Gnumeric. It looks like Timberwolf. LOL

Yeah, these cross platforms GUIs can be annoying. If only people wanted a MUI interface for Linux! Well the man power may exist.

We lost Audio Evolution partly due to the GUI problem. We didn't have wxWidgets.

@Desler

Happy to test. And also happy ti is still being worked on.

@cdimauro

Seriously? A bounty to remove the 128MB limit of OS4? How is that going to work, offering the OS4 team money to remove a restriction, that exists on the actual hardware it was written for? Good luck with that!

@Hypex

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How is that going to work, offering the OS4 team money to remove a restriction, that exists on the actual hardware it was written for? Good luck with that!

Simply supporting Z3 RAM as Fast RAM like on OS3 (no drivers needed there). I bet it is 1 hour work for lazy developer...

@pavlor

LOL! Yes I know it is technically possible but what I meant was that the OS4 devs aren't just going to patch it in to work on some emulator because someone threw momey at them.

Since you know what to do, you are better off writing a patch for the OS to do this for you. Either patching a memory subsystem or adding Z3 RAM ot the list. What ever works for you.

@Hypex

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Either patching a memory subsystem

Not trivial.

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or adding Z3 RAM ot the list

Tried, failed.

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OS4 devs aren't just going to patch it in to work on some emulator because someone threw momey at them.

I still hope they will change their mind.

@Hypex

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Hypex wrote: @pavlor LOL! Yes I know it is technically possible but what I meant was that the OS4 devs aren't just going to patch it in to work on some emulator because someone threw momey at them.

That's strange, because Hyperion is a company which is supposed to make money.

But maybe terminillis was right some time ago, stating that the company is left open for other reasons...
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Since you know what to do, you are better off writing a patch for the OS to do this for you. Either patching a memory subsystem or adding Z3 RAM ot the list. What ever works for you.

Open a bounty, as I already stated. It's much more useful than the never-finally-released Timberwolf project.

@pavlor

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I bet it is 1 hour work for lazy developer...

I'll take that bet, how much are you putting up?

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@cdimauro

Hyperion is also a company that legally does things by the book. AfAIK UAE/PPC requires ROMs that must be bootlegged off the net. Does Amiga Forver officially support PPC yet with licensed ROM files? Do Cloanto have a deal with Hyperion? If none of these critera are met there will no memory patch.

Also, Hyperion has a business obligation to support hardware companies like AEON and ACube. Sure they will profit from the UAE side effect. But it won't be suppoted in any legal or official capacity.

@broadblues

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I'll take that bet, how much are you putting up?

One more 4.1FE copy for Hyperion and one beer for you (not dependend if I win or lose ).


To be more serious, I´m sure we could arrange good bounty for any brave developer willing to solve our "memory" problem.

@Hypex

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If none of these critera are met there will no memory patch.

As WinUAE is not supported platform, such patch wouldn´t violate any law. CyberstormPPC users could try it at own risc.

@Hypex

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Hypex wrote: @cdimauro Hyperion is also a company that legally does things by the book. AfAIK UAE/PPC requires ROMs that must be bootlegged off the net.

Hyperion has nothing to do with that. Hyperion develops AmigaOS4. Dot.
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Does Amiga Forver officially support PPC yet with licensed ROM files?

Currently, I don't think so.
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Do Cloanto have a deal with Hyperion?

AFAIK no, but it has nothing to do with that.
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If none of these critera are met there will no memory patch.

None of these criterion are needed. It's only up to the customers to have a legal copy of the required ROMs.
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Also, Hyperion has a business obligation to support hardware companies like AEON and ACube. Sure they will profit from the UAE side effect. But it won't be suppoted in any legal or official capacity.

First, do you have any clear, official statement that Hyperion is bounded to A-EON and ACube and cannot support emulation?

Second, if the answer is yes, they can release an OS4 version or patch that let the OS4 customers decide what to do with the Z3 Fastmem: use as a swap area or integrate it in the normal memory pool. It's perfectly legal and doesn't violate any possible agreement with A-EON and ACube, since we are talking about the supported hardware.

Third, if they don't want to do that for any unknown reason, some other coder can provide a patch to remove the current memory limit. And that's, still, perfectly legal.

I think that the last option is the best way, since there's no signal from Hyperion. Open a bounty and collect some money to raise the current OS4-on-"classic" memory limit to 1,8GB. So pavlor (and not only him) can open a bottle of champagne to celebrate.