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If you use emulation for the Amiga side you don't have to turn on your other computer. I think this is why things like Amiga Forever are popular. One can run an Amiga game in a window next to the latest version of Google Chrome.

Of course not, but it's still in emulation. I don't see a "future" in a system that relies on another to work. For our future AmigaOS to be attractive I think it needs to be a complete system within itself.

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Maybe we already have the best possible outcome and don't recognize it, having hoped that it would somehow be better. No air cars for us. We've seen the future, and it's ... just OK.

I think you nailed it there. I agree

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@Yasu

It needs to be it's own OS, not under emulation from another OS. It needs Multi-user support and to be able to use multiple processors or at least take advantage of modern hardware.
It needs top stop with the expensive non x86 code, I know, there are so many x86 better OS's out there however, the expense is just too much! it's not going to sell the way it is going, it won't get more "buyers" in with the price tag and hardware limitations it is setting on people.
x86 won. That's it. that's the code base. Make it do miracles on x86. Windows still hasn't got it right and Linux is still brain bending to use in a friendly way. Ubuntu has been a god-send in this regard however, AMIGA OS is still better.

If the current state is as good as it gets, it's going to get worse and less and less people on it. The platform is just too expensive and development is niche and pricey too because of it.

Heck, it has been for years. It's not viable in the current computer development era any longer.

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@kolla

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And yes, I can relate to the desktop environment issue, there are currently no DE that I like, so on the DFBSD box, I use AmiWM, lol

About a month ago I began looking at the amiwm code base with the thought of improving it. But that's not really practical due to the license, which requires all changes to be distributed as patches against the unmodified source, and the problems with the code base are deep and systemic. (No slight against the author of amiwm is intended; I'm glad that he wrote an Amiga-like window manager.) So, in the Spirit Of Amiga — taking on enormous tasks with little or no hope of compensation — I have begun writing my own Amiga-like window manager from scratch.

I'm about 40 hours into it, and hope to have an initial release out in a few months[1]. My "phase one" plan is to have something that I can use with LXDE instead of Openbox.

1. For some definition of "hope", "initial", and "few". (tip of the hat to Larry Wall)

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WIthout having read the first 9 pages of this thread:

My vote: Pancakes!

Actually, AROS 68k running on an FPGA board is what I would have voted for. It has only 2 disadvantages: the 68k backend for GCC 4.x sucks, and improved graphics drivers are needed for the chipsets.

Recent developments in the LLVM/Clang compiler project may make implementation of compilers for CPUs that don't use integer registers as pointer variables, such as the 68k series microprocessor, much simpler. Clang also implements enough of the GCC-specifics to compile the Linux kernel so compiling AROS with it should improve the code quality of 68k code generation.

The FPGA boards have the potential to implement the "missing" screenmodes for high definition video and high/true color depths without giving up chipset compatibility. Lastly, AROS has an open-source implementation of CGX 3 compatibility for most graphics card support and can run a lot of AmigaOS 3 software.

AmigaOS 3 software sales already dwarf all the rest, I'm quite certain, and none of the options listed have enough compatibility to implement enough classic 68k compatibility except software emulation and even then, getting modern performance would require the WinUAE "hack" to implement x86/AMD64 Windows-native code from inside the emulator. (UAEGFX under Picasso96 is an example of this, as is the UAE driver for AHI.)

@utri007

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I don't see any problem that there is no changes to vote MorphOS tunning on x64 hardware, as thye are not real choises.

Still it was officially announced back in 2011 that there would be an ISA change within a few years and that development of new features such as 64-bit would take place within a virtual machine in the meantime. Since then, several MorphOS developers has communicated on various occasions on these plans, like for example that it will be "x64"/"AMD64" and that support for at least one desktop and one laptop will be released initially at the same time. When it comes to the MorphOS team, hints about the future won't be more official than this.

@TRIPOS

I don't think they ever used the words "within a few years". Only that there is an ISA change planned. Bigfoot is working on it but progress is slow as there are other pressing MorphOS related matters to deal with first (like the X5000 port and RadeonHD drivers). They haven't even choose what CPU to use yet.

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@Yasu

for Tripos inner eyes it is already "almost" completed, ISA changed and MorphOS with 64bit, SMP and MP and lots of new software

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I don't think they ever used the words "within a few years".

"So yes indeed, within a few years, we will change the architecture."

OK, there might be some lost in translation involved, but I still believe that in a whole, this is what they were saying. Of course I'm not claiming there is some kind of deadline in this, and I am humble about the effort required. I also think it could have been somewhat of a moving target where the idea about the final result can have evolved and maybe even expanded over time. Also the conditions might have changed, like people becoming fathers and stuff like that...

But I think the ambition is set in stone and there seem to be some determination behind it. Many public posts on the subject suggest this. I have no doubts about this whatsoever!


@OlafS25

Of course not...

@TRIPOS

I'll be damned Well, we are past "within a few years" by now. It will happen (probably) but when, we don't know.

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