Poster | Thread |
davebraco
| |
Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update Posted on 21-Mar-2016 15:15:10
| | [ #21 ] |
|
|
|
Regular Member |
Joined: 3-Jan-2005 Posts: 132
From: Belgium | | |
|
| @amigakit
Good job! Nice to see some progress from the AmigaDeveloper.com programme. Keep up the good work! _________________ A1200PPC / Sam440ep / Sam460ex / X1000 / X5000 OS4.1 |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Amigo1
| |
Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update Posted on 21-Mar-2016 15:24:44
| | [ #22 ] |
|
|
|
Super Member |
Joined: 24-Jun-2004 Posts: 1582
From: the Clouds | | |
|
| @amigakit
Great can't wait for the Enhancer Software to be available! |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
zzd10h
| |
Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update Posted on 21-Mar-2016 15:27:17
| | [ #23 ] |
|
|
|
Amiga Developer Team |
Joined: 21-May-2012 Posts: 1077
From: France | | |
|
| |
Status: Offline |
|
|
broadblues
| |
Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update Posted on 21-Mar-2016 17:27:39
| | [ #24 ] |
|
|
|
Amiga Developer Team |
Joined: 20-Jul-2004 Posts: 4446
From: Portsmouth England | | |
|
| @Hypex
Quote:
OS4 has a ColourWheel!? I never knew this! The system doesn't use it. Well Prefs doesn't when I open Palette.
|
Ofcourse AmigaOS has a colour wheel, it has had since AmigaOS 3.1 (possibly earlier) , it's used in pointer.prefs and in IconEdit and other places.
Also gradient sliders for creating colours sliders.
_________________ BroadBlues On Blues BroadBlues On Amiga Walker Broad |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
broadblues
| |
Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update Posted on 21-Mar-2016 17:29:33
| | [ #25 ] |
|
|
|
Amiga Developer Team |
Joined: 20-Jul-2004 Posts: 4446
From: Portsmouth England | | |
|
| @wawa
Quote:
ven class act had an appropriate class,
|
No, colourwheel was always an OS class never third party. Obviously Being BOOPSI it fitted in well with calssact and later reaction, but actually preexists both.
_________________ BroadBlues On Blues BroadBlues On Amiga Walker Broad |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Xenic
| |
Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update Posted on 21-Mar-2016 17:47:04
| | [ #26 ] |
|
|
|
Super Member |
Joined: 2-Feb-2004 Posts: 1246
From: Pennsylvania, USA | | |
|
| @Hypex Quote:
OS4 has a ColourWheel!? I never knew this! The system doesn't use it. Well Prefs doesn't when I open Palette. |
You'll see the color wheel if you go to "Gui Preferences/Effects/Window drop shadows" and click on the "Color" button. It does seem strange that they would include it there but not in the Palette prefs.
_________________ X1000 with 2GB memory & OS4.1FE |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Chris_Y
| |
Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update Posted on 21-Mar-2016 20:27:48
| | [ #27 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 21-Jun-2003 Posts: 3203
From: Beds, UK | | |
|
| @Xenic
It was in OS3 Palette Prefs. When this was completely changed (probably rewritten) for OS4 the colour wheel was removed. _________________ "Miracles we do at once, the impossible takes a little longer" - AJS on Hyperion Avatar is Tabitha by Eric W Schwartz |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
apsturk
| |
Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update Posted on 21-Mar-2016 21:46:26
| | [ #28 ] |
|
|
|
Regular Member |
Joined: 6-Mar-2015 Posts: 108
From: Oswego, NY USA | | |
|
| @amigakit
Good job on this I am glad to see this coming together I am happy to buy as soon as it is a go. GREAT!!!
|
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Severin
| |
Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update Posted on 21-Mar-2016 22:34:15
| | [ #29 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 19-Aug-2003 Posts: 2740
From: Gloucestershire UK | | |
|
| @Chris_Y
Quote:
Chris_Y wrote: @Xenic
It was in OS3 Palette Prefs. When this was completely changed (probably rewritten) for OS4 the colour wheel was removed. |
That was probably OS3.5+ so not part of the 3.1 source os4 is based on. It's also highly likely it's gadtools not boopsi anyway._________________ OS4 Rocks X1000 beta tester, Sam440 Flex (733)
Visit the Official OS4 Support Site for more help.
It may be that your sole purpose is to serve as a warning to others. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Chris_Y
| |
Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update Posted on 21-Mar-2016 22:44:27
| | [ #30 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 21-Jun-2003 Posts: 3203
From: Beds, UK | | |
|
| @Severin
http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/wb_30.html
3.0 and definitely BOOPSI, there's never been a GadTools color wheel gadget. Last edited by Chris_Y on 21-Mar-2016 at 10:45 PM.
_________________ "Miracles we do at once, the impossible takes a little longer" - AJS on Hyperion Avatar is Tabitha by Eric W Schwartz |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Severin
| |
Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update Posted on 22-Mar-2016 0:13:03
| | [ #31 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 19-Aug-2003 Posts: 2740
From: Gloucestershire UK | | |
|
| @Chris_Y
Fair enough, been a long time since I used OS3. My memory is failing, I need a ram upgade. _________________ OS4 Rocks X1000 beta tester, Sam440 Flex (733)
Visit the Official OS4 Support Site for more help.
It may be that your sole purpose is to serve as a warning to others. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Chris_Y
| |
Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update Posted on 22-Mar-2016 10:01:35
| | [ #32 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 21-Jun-2003 Posts: 3203
From: Beds, UK | | |
|
| @Severin
When I use OS3 I'm reminded of how far we've come. People who say OS4 isn't an improvement clearly haven't used it - it's a world apart.
I appreciate A-eon creating updates for OS4 components, but I'm a little confused as to why official OS4 components are being updated by a 3rd party independently, and why Hyperion themselves haven't released any updates since OS4.1FE.
_________________ "Miracles we do at once, the impossible takes a little longer" - AJS on Hyperion Avatar is Tabitha by Eric W Schwartz |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
PhantomInterrogative
| |
Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update Posted on 22-Mar-2016 10:10:44
| | [ #33 ] |
|
|
|
Cult Member |
Joined: 10-Sep-2004 Posts: 809
From: The Interrogative Lair | | |
|
| @Chris_Y
Quote:
why Hyperion themselves haven't released any updates since OS4.1FE. |
There have been no updates because it was the Final Edition. _________________ I sold my SAM460ex lite... waiting for money to buy a Raspberry Pi... or a Classic A1000 with Buffee... or an A1222... and OS4.3 FE update 11 |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
wawa
| |
Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update Posted on 22-Mar-2016 10:33:31
| | [ #34 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 21-Jan-2008 Posts: 6259
From: Unknown | | |
|
| @Chris_Y
Quote:
When I use OS3 I'm reminded of how far we've come. People who say OS4 isn't an improvement clearly haven't used it - it's a world apart.
|
thats all fine and good, but the application.library introduces, at least how i see it, a whole new concept how application should be run in an environment, as it seems introducing bloat for rather questionable gains, especially questionable on lower end systems. i mean who in their right mind need to be bothered with notifications , control other running program states or behaviour of screen blankers while playing a game on amiga or being generally just a klick away to be able to check anything for himself at a time he decides is right.
how many worthwhile programs take actually advantage of the features of application.library, to be actually worth to bother with it? |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
OlafS25
| |
Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update Posted on 22-Mar-2016 10:52:35
| | [ #35 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 12-May-2010 Posts: 6354
From: Unknown | | |
|
| @Chris_Y
OS3 (or 68k in general) is a different market with different expectations. If you want to sell you must comply to that or people will not buy. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
wawa
| |
Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update Posted on 22-Mar-2016 11:13:46
| | [ #36 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 21-Jan-2008 Posts: 6259
From: Unknown | | |
|
| @OlafS25
olaf, its not a question of market (people might buy whatever as soon as you are able to convince them they are "supporting the platform") but better or worse, more or less appropriate design decisions. on the above example chris has made a remark, about how different os4 now is. the question remains, is it better?
at least it seems it introduces a number or problems when porting application between amiga (whatever system) and os4, which seems to show up with problems coming up when porting chris' version of netsurf. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
OlafS25
| |
Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update Posted on 22-Mar-2016 11:18:58
| | [ #37 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 12-May-2010 Posts: 6354
From: Unknown | | |
|
| @wawa
some have the attitude to buy everything just to "show support" but the majority will react rational, they will look if the improvements are worth the money for them
If they create something that is optimized for 4.X but offering only few advantages to 68k users then they will not sell much, at least not on 3.X. They have to decide priorities, if they think 4.X buyers are enough then be it
But markets and interests 4.X compared to 3.X (68k) are very different |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Chris_Y
| |
Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update Posted on 22-Mar-2016 12:32:49
| | [ #38 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 21-Jun-2003 Posts: 3203
From: Beds, UK | | |
|
| @wawa
Quote:
wawa wrote: thats all fine and good, but the application.library introduces, at least how i see it, a whole new concept how application should be run in an environment, as it seems introducing bloat for rather questionable gains, especially questionable on lower end systems. i mean who in their right mind need to be bothered with notifications , control other running program states or behaviour of screen blankers while playing a game on amiga or being generally just a klick away to be able to check anything for himself at a time he decides is right.
how many worthwhile programs take actually advantage of the features of application.library, to be actually worth to bother with it? |
This is a very strange statement. application.library works similarly to commodities.library - a program registers with it if it wants to use it. If it isn't used it isn't taking up memory. If you don't want notifications then don't start up the Ringhio server. If you want the screen blanker to come on in the middle of playing a game... well, that's your problem.
Quote:
at least [OS4] seems it introduces a number or problems when porting application between amiga (whatever system) and os4, which seems to show up with problems coming up when porting chris' version of netsurf. |
The problems I've encountered are because OS3 is so primitive compared to OS4.
_________________ "Miracles we do at once, the impossible takes a little longer" - AJS on Hyperion Avatar is Tabitha by Eric W Schwartz |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
OlafS25
| |
Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update Posted on 22-Mar-2016 13:14:46
| | [ #39 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 12-May-2010 Posts: 6354
From: Unknown | | |
|
| @Chris_Y
it is not relevant if you think OS 3.X is primitive, users decide
BTW porting between Aros and MorphOS and even 3.X is mostly fairly easy what is not the case for AmigaOS Last edited by OlafS25 on 22-Mar-2016 at 01:16 PM.
|
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Chris_Y
| |
Re: AmigaDeveloper.com Team Progress Update Posted on 22-Mar-2016 13:33:48
| | [ #40 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 21-Jun-2003 Posts: 3203
From: Beds, UK | | |
|
| @OlafS25
Quote:
it is not relevant if you think OS 3.X is primitive, users decide
|
It absolutely *is* relevant if I'm developing for it.
Anything which brings it up towards OS4 standards - even a little bit - is certainly welcomed here.
_________________ "Miracles we do at once, the impossible takes a little longer" - AJS on Hyperion Avatar is Tabitha by Eric W Schwartz |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|