Something happened recently that changed my entire perception of the AmigaOne series. I found out what can happen when you have the right hardware with the right driver and software that can take advantage of it. I'm talking about a graphics card / Radeon driver / Warp3D driver / Blender combination that I installed recently. The difference that the right hardware and software can make to performance is astounding.

It demonstrates the unrealized potential of the computer. Every Windows computer comes with performance enhancing hardware and software / drivers. Without it they would probably seem as slow as a base AmigaOne.

I don't feel like my SAM is crippled anymore. It's just handicapped by the lack of the right hardware / software. Maybe every AmigaOne should come with a good graphics card and drivers like a Windows computer. It could change the common perception that AmigaOnes are underpowered and slow. Reputation is very important when it comes to computers.

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The latest RadeonHD and Warp3D Nova from the Enhancer Software will unlock even more potential of the RadeonHD S.I. graphics card because buffer objects are being used for the first time on AmigaOS. This is even more important on low performance systems such as the SAM.

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Maybe you should offer the Enhancer package per-installed with new systems. Do you have any plans to develop and publish software in-house that takes advantage of Nova? I assume that Aladdin 4D will come with a Nova rendering engine.

On the subject of Aladdin 4D, I seem to remember from the review in CU Amiga, that it didn't support full ray-tracing. If this is so, would adding it be within the scope of your plans and the budget assigned to Aladdin 4D?

@amigakit

Can you confirm that there will warp3D Nova solution for Sam 440ep flex? Would require uboot update or drivers for Radeon HD4xxx-HD6xxx

@thinkchip

Yes only drivers make the difference and nothing more where the single core and single thread is used


3D games from Unity3d in facebook...
Old P4 2.4 single core 2gb ram and Pce-pci radeonhd 5450
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13613361_10206608703197871_7228658359967433880_o.jpg

HD video
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13502798_10206608702437852_1307833994026967212_o.jpg


Quake software rendering performaces
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13640786_10206677567279430_2520732836692533818_o.jpg

Compare with this

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13718682_10206677610280505_5216018767878981217_n.jpg?oh=55c041e2902b94abd946f2c1f74e17b7&oe=58222375


And after imagine X5000 with all factory drivers ...

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My Sam460ex with a Radeon HD4xxx -series card can't use "my" Warp3D Nova (bought the Enhancer package). It seems impossible to make Warp3D Nova for HD4xxx...

My configuration "Car wise", is like a family car with a four cylinder turbocharged engine (200 Hp).
To use Warp3D Nova I have to replace my engine with a six cylinder twin-turbo (350 Hp)!

The needs for Warp3D Nova in my view, therefore seems a bit overkill...

@Nicsoft

Hans don't have time to support HD7xxx and HD4xxx, so only HD7xxx is supported.

Well I happen to have HD7xxx graphic card that work with Nova but its plugged into my PC, where I have my games, I guess need to buy new graphic card for my PC, but don't know what graphic card to buy.

I guess the HD4xxx will end up in my collection of useless graphic cards.

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I think you need to purpose the correct "PCI-e to PCI" adapter, ACube-Systems might be able to help you with that, Uboot just emulates the ROM on graphic card, it should be able to find graphic-card automatically once you have a adapter that works.

(PEX 8112 should work, from what I have read on other forums)
http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?post_id=69252

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@utri007 and the rest...

Sigh, we finally get relatively modern hardware support for gfx cards that are only a little out of date and still easily available and all you can do is whinge that your 5 to 15 year old models are not supported.

Forget 4xxx-6xxx, most older ones are not easily available anymore and cost more than much higher spec models, for example I've seen 4 and 5 series cards going for more than double the price of my 7 series.

Hunt around, it took me a week to find a 7770 for £35 but they are out there, it's not going to cost a fortune to get a S.I. chipset card.

I you have older OS4 hardware then you have known for years it's gfx cards are obsolete and if you want to upgrade it'll cost you a fortune for limited performance via pcie to pci adaptors.

Come on guys, we all paid our money and took our choice, enjoy what you can do don't moan about what you can't.

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For my low spec:
Sam460ex = 1.1 GHz single core AMCC (processor), 2 GB DDR2 RAM.

A similar low spec:
Radeon™ HD 4550 1 GB DDR2 RAM.
| Bus Type: PCI-E 2.0
| GPU Clock: 625 Mhz
| Memory Bus: 64
| Memory Speed: 1000 Mhz

Is a "normal" combination, so I'll stick with that.

If I had a high spec Amiga instead, the situation would be different.

But still no AmigaOS supporting multi core or protected memory etc.
So let's just see what the future will bring..?

@NutsAboutAmiga

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@Nicsoft Hans don't have time to support HD7xxx and HD4xxx, so only HD7xxx is supported.

It's more a case that A-EON have spent a considerable amount of money on Nova and don't feel they can justify the cost of drivers for older cards. I'm sure Hans would be happy to write drivers for HD4xx0 if someone was willing to pay at industry rates.

Matthew has said that a DDK and support can be provided to anyone willing to write drivers for other hardware.

There must be a reason for the game makers to provide "Amiga OS4 RadeonHD Compositing" to the buyers.
Everybody don't wan't - can't afford (unnecessary high spec) new graphics cards, in vanilla Sam460ex Amigas.
The software market is already very small...

@Nicsoft

With your Sam if there was all drivers optimized like in x86 world
you will be able to do better things than i do with my P4

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@Nicsoft

The last Acube Sam460 configuration ,
The Amigaone 500 Plus, included a Radeon HD R7-250E.
The Radeon HD R7-250E is a variation of the Radeon HD7750.

A Warp3D Nova compatible card is a good investment if you intend to run AmigaOS 4.x
on the Sam460 or any newer machine.


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Nicsoft wrote: For my low spec: Sam460ex = 1.1 GHz single core AMCC (processor), 2 GB DDR2 RAM. A similar low spec: Radeon™ HD 4550 1 GB DDR2 RAM. | Bus Type: PCI-E 2.0 | GPU Clock: 625 Mhz | Memory Bus: 64 | Memory Speed: 1000 Mhz Is a "normal" combination, so I'll stick with that. If I had a high spec Amiga instead, the situation would be different. But still no AmigaOS supporting multi core or protected memory etc. So let's just see what the future will bring..?

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@tlosm

So youre saying a machine that is somewhere around low end celeron coppermine (mid p3 system) specs is somehow more capable than something at least 2-3x as fast?

You sure do get creative with your ideas. :p.

Add similar ram and video card and pretty much any p4 system, as crappy as they always were will blow away any Sam with the possible exception of a 1.4-1.7ghz socket 423 p4, which would only comfortably outdo the sam rather than destroy it.

@fishy_fis

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Add similar ram and video card and pretty much any p4 system, as crappy as they always were will blow away any Sam with the possible exception of a 1.4-1.7ghz socket 423 p4, which would only comfortably outdo the sam rather than destroy it.

i reply with my philosopy ...
have ...
test ...
reply

I have, i can test , i can compare.

and belive me if i say the Sam460 make exactly the double of frames of quake compared my P4 2.4ghz

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@tlosm

Thats hilarious.
So youre saying a sam is capable of over 500 frames a second in quake 2?

Come on guy, I know youre a ppc fan, but thats a bit of a stretch.

I just tested q2 on a Northwood 2.4ghz p4 with a crappy old agp x850 and got 280fps. The system also only has pc133 sdram.

@fishy_fis

who knows. he might have set some vblank flag and be happy to happen to sync to the tft refresh rate;)

@wawa

Sure, and I actually understand why a person would use those sorts of settings, but suggesting a Sam (any Sam) is more capable than a P4 (any P4) is,... err,.... let's say "creative" :)

@Rob

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Rob wrote: @NutsAboutAmiga Quote: @Nicsoft Hans don't have time to support HD7xxx and HD4xxx, so only HD7xxx is supported. It's more a case that A-EON have spent a considerable amount of money on Nova and don't feel they can justify the cost of drivers for older cards. I'm sure Hans would be happy to write drivers for HD4xx0 if someone was willing to pay at industry rates.

No, I wouldn't. I simply don't have the time to do that too.

I'd love to see more hardware supported, but we'd need more developers working on it.

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Matthew has said that a DDK and support can be provided to anyone willing to write drivers for other hardware.

Correct, and it would be great if there were someone (or a group) willing to give it a shot.

Hans

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